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General Disarray



Joined: 23 Jun 2010
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Location: Kent

PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:09 am    Post subject: Hello, some questions per normal as a new member Reply with quote

After much reading of other peoples post and searching on the internet to gathar information. There really is no better way to get information I find than to ask people who have been there and done the job.

My situation;

1) Graduated a year ago with a Bsc degree in Pure Mathematics
2) No TEFL/CELTA/TESOL qualification at any level
3) Teaching experience limited to helping out at local Sea Cadet unit where I have taken classes of up to 8 children
4) British nationality
5) 22 years of age nearly

Questions;

1) For first job realistically due to financial and experience reasons I believe I will be limited to Asia. Japan would have been my preferred country but I understand there has been an increase of teachers there while a decrease of jobs due to a recent bankrupt of big schools? Which leaves me to S. Korea and China would I be correct in assuming.

2) Looking at this, I don't think I can outright at the moment afford a CELTA qualification, it will at the very least leave me pushing my budget to the very edge. I have been looking at doing a CertTESOL which at last I have found a local place which offers the qualification. The place is given to me direct from the trinity college website, so I can be confident that I'll be getting the real deal with it? I don't want to really be forking out for a bogus course/scam. The amount of courses advertised on the internet is an amazing amount.

I have recently browsed through the posts and seen a respected poster post about The Boland School. What would be peoples opinions on moving to the country you would like to teach in and carry out the course there? It does look as I have left it too late for this year for that particular school though.

3) I have worries that I have left this too late in the year, by that I mean that all academic years by the looks of thing begin in September. What would you rate my chances of getting a job say in mid October/November time?

4) Last small minor point, I enjoyed Maths at university level, the problem is that most jobs that lead off from it seem to be mind-blowingly boring. What is the chance of being able to go to a school and teach Maths, I do understand that not being able to speak the native language will be a problem with that.

Thanks in advance for any help, much appreciated.
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tttompatz



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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan will be a tough road on a low budget since you will need 2000+ pounds to see you through to your first pay in addition to your airfare.

Korea is an option for those with entry level qualifications and are on a shoestring getting started. More information is available on the Korean boards (separate registration required). Schools there will often prepay your airfare and housing is usually supplied so your only expenses are visa costs and food for your first month.

China is also an option with salaries in the 6000+ rmb range being pretty common as a starting point. Housing is usually supplied so you only need to worry about coming up with your airfare and visa costs. If you are prudent you can save enough over a year or so to get yourself moved and started in a country with more savings potential or improve your qualifications.

In all 3 of the above cases you do not need any TESOL/TEFL certification for a work visa or to obtain employment BUT it would be in your best interests to get something so you don't get shoved into a classroom cold on your first day.

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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Hello, some questions per normal as a new member Reply with quote

General Disarray wrote:

My situation;

1) Graduated a year ago with a Bsc degree in Pure Mathematics
2) No TEFL/CELTA/TESOL qualification at any level
3) Teaching experience limited to helping out at local Sea Cadet unit where I have taken classes of up to 8 children
4) British nationality
5) 22 years of age nearly

Questions;

1) For first job realistically due to financial and experience reasons I believe I will be limited to Asia. Japan would have been my preferred country but I understand there has been an increase of teachers there while a decrease of jobs due to a recent bankrupt of big schools?
You can still try the JET programme.


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3) I have worries that I have left this too late in the year, by that I mean that all academic years by the looks of thing begin in September. What would you rate my chances of getting a job say in mid October/November time?
Mediocre in Japan for non-JET jobs. What's your hurry? Visa processing takes 2 months in some cases anyway.

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4) Last small minor point, I enjoyed Maths at university level, the problem is that most jobs that lead off from it seem to be mind-blowingly boring. What is the chance of being able to go to a school and teach Maths, I do understand that not being able to speak the native language will be a problem with that.
Then you have already answered your own question.
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General Disarray



Joined: 23 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Hello, some questions per normal as a new member Reply with quote

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Mediocre in Japan for non-JET jobs. What's your hurry? Visa processing takes 2 months in some cases anyway.


I've got to get out of my parents house Laughing I'm sure the feeling is vice versa at times as well!!!

I shouldn't have left my last job pre-mature with nothing to go into but minor back pains at 22 was telling me time to jack it in.

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In all 3 of the above cases you do not need any TESOL/TEFL certification for a work visa or to obtain employment BUT it would be in your best interests to get something so you don't get shoved into a classroom cold on your first day.


The latter is why I'd take the courses, I'd feel as if I was letting down the students who were paying for me to teach them more than anything else.
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TeresaLopez



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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:25 am    Post subject: Re: Hello, some questions per normal as a new member Reply with quote

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The latter is why I'd take the courses, I'd feel as if I was letting down the students who were paying for me to teach them more than anything else.[/quote]

Just believing this already puts you head and shoulders above half the newbies wanting the teach English! Have you considered Mexico at all? There are international schools here where you could teach Math in English, and some will pay your airfare. Pay can be quite good, and you wouldn't need a lot of $$$ (sorry don't know how to make a pound sign) to see you through till the first check.
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trinity courses are legit, and if you have been recommended something from their own website Im sure you dont have anything to worry about. I completed my Trinity about two years ago and recommend it highly. I did mine at St Giles in Eastbourne BTW.

Public schools jobs may have a certain hiring season, private language centres do not....I started my last job late December last year so there are places that hire all year round.

I dont think you would have much chance in China with teaching math to be honest....thats just an opinion and not based on any facts and figures though....and it would be a waste of time to spend the money on a Trinity course too. I dont think it would help much if you were teaching math.
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General Disarray



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Hello, some questions per normal as a new member Reply with quote

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Have you considered Mexico at all?


Latin America would be my first choice, but from what I have gathered from reading the forums is that the key part is much like Europe in the sense you have to go out there first and ask places face to face for work. That was why I was leaning towards Asia first of all, to build up a bank then head out to S. America/Central America.

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Trinity courses are legit, and if you have been recommended something from their own website Im sure you dont have anything to worry about. I completed my Trinity about two years ago and recommend it highly. I did mine at St Giles in Eastbourne BTW.

Public schools jobs may have a certain hiring season, private language centres do not....I started my last job late December last year so there are places that hire all year round.


Thats pretty much what I wanted to hear, don't want to wait another year until I get started up on my career choice..I already waited a year to get into the Royal Navy and that looks as if it's fallen through for a stupid reason.

Look like I'll do the trinity course in Gillingham as it's just more pratical. Please I've found it as google doesn't help a whole lot when searching for courses with so much being chucked at you. London was the only option at first from what I could find originally, I think I would have been better off going to Prague or Krakow for my qualification as the money I'd spend on commuting at rush hour prices would be ridicolous.

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I dont think you would have much chance in China with teaching math to be honest....thats just an opinion and not based on any facts and figures though....and it would be a waste of time to spend the money on a Trinity course too. I dont think it would help much if you were teaching math.


I know it would be stupid to think along the lines of teaching a subject when you can't speak the native language. Should have made it more clearer, over time say when I hopefully become fluent in Spanish would it be easy to teach the subject in the distance future.
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rr1000



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:53 pm    Post subject: "You can still try the JET programme. " Reply with quote

I have been researching all of this same info. I am looking at Asia too even though where I really want to go is Latin America.. I am also looking at taking a course in the US and leaving in Oct.

From what I have seen on-line the JET progam begins accepting applications this October for NEXT year. That's for the US...I can't imagine other countries would be that different? I would double check that info.

Also the visa processing "takes 2 months in most cases"? I was assuming that I would either be offered a job and be expected to start asap and that would be processed while I was there?

Is the visa application different if you move to the country to work at a language center? (generally speaking of course? I know in Latin America I would be likely on tourist visas)..
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: "You can still try the JET programme. " Reply with quote

rr1000 wrote:
Also the visa processing "takes 2 months in most cases"? I was assuming that I would either be offered a job and be expected to start asap and that would be processed while I was there?
Not always so, and legally, I believe you cannot work until the visa itself is actually issued. Work with the application stamp in your passport, and you take a risk. Lower pay, for one.

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Is the visa application different if you move to the country to work at a language center? (generally speaking of course? I know in Latin America I would be likely on tourist visas)..
As far as Japan is concerned it is pretty much the same as if you were applying from abroad. You send the same documents with the employer to immigration, wait for something called the Certificate of Eligibility, and then take that to immigration to finalize the process.

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am also looking at taking a course in the US and leaving in Oct.
Can't speak for other countries, but that is pretty much the beginning of a dead time for hiring in Japan, from Oct. to late January.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acutally, Mexico is one of the few places that is pretty easy to get a visa to work in in Latin America
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: Hello, some questions per normal as a new member Reply with quote

General Disarray wrote:
I have recently browsed through the posts and seen a respected poster post about The Boland School. What would be peoples opinions on moving to the country you would like to teach in and carry out the course there? It does look as I have left it too late for this year for that particular school though. .


I could tell you about them. I took the course back in 2003 in Brno, then worked for them when they were in their old Fengxian location.
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DoubleDutch



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would expect Boland China to offer another course in September. Just send an email to [email protected] to find out more. The language schools (such as English First) are recruiting all year round. So that shouldn't be the problem.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DoubleDutch wrote:
I would expect Boland China to offer another course in September. Just send an email to [email protected] to find out more. The language schools (such as English First) are recruiting all year round. So that shouldn't be the problem.
Wow, she still works there?
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DoubleDutch



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure does. Very Happy
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