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Is 2 yrs teaching exp needed to teach in a Chinese uni?
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Guerciotti



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:38 am    Post subject: Is 2 yrs teaching exp needed to teach in a Chinese uni? Reply with quote

Do I need 2 years of teaching experience to teach in a Chinese university? Does it depend on the level of the university? Any help or flames appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

get em boys....
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinesearmy wrote:
get em boys....


yea, I'm waiting ... any time ...
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Zero



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You actually need three to four years. Anything less is a disservice to the students and hurts the feelings of the Chinese people.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha ha Zero is not serious. No experience is necessary for many Chinese uni teaching positions. The usual requirements are that you (1) be a native speaker of English (2) have a minimum of a master�s degree in linguistics (Ph.D. preferred) and (3) speak fluent Mandarin
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dgoodsell wrote:
Ha ha Zero is not serious. No experience is necessary for many Chinese uni teaching positions. The usual requirements are that you (1) be a native speaker of English (2) have a minimum of a master�s degree in linguistics (Ph.D. preferred) and (3) speak fluent Mandarin


(4) be able to decypher coded messages so intricate it would baffle some of the most brilliant minds in the secret service a.k.a. university level Chinglish (5) do all of this happily on the "five times the ocal salary" 4500 rmb per month.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your best bet is to look at actual job listings. Take a look at abroadchina.org. It doesn't always list the best jobs, but it will give you a good idea of the salaries offered in various provinces and cities and as well as the required qualifications.

Generally, a BA in anything plus two years of teaching experience is required, but I have met FTs who demonstrated no discernible higher education whatsoever and, upon inquiry, could not recall their alma maters within ten seconds.

This is a bad time to look for a job for fall 2010.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK. Seriously. You need a BA minimum but the teaching experience seems to be flexible. Lots of job announcements will ask for 2 yrs, or 1-2 yrs but some will just say teaching experience preferred. Below is part of an actual, current, job announcement:


�Native English speaker: Yes
Bachelor: Yes
Teaching experience: Preferred
Age: 20-50�

I have to disagree with Miles Smiles in that there are jobs still being offered at Chinese universities for Fall 2010. But you�ll have to move fast as it can take awhile to get all the paperwork together for your Z visa.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miles Smiles wrote:


This is a bad time to look for a job for fall 2010.


I didn't say that there were no university jobs.
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Guerciotti



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miles Smiles wrote:
Miles Smiles wrote:


This is a bad time to look for a job for fall 2010.


I didn't say that there were no university jobs.


Yes, they're out there. I spent the last three days reading every post on two or three job sites. There are some. You only need one.

BTW thanks Miles for that link - abroadchina.org. True, some of the salaries are pretty low ("Salary 3001-5000RMB" ?!?!?!) and many of the posts employ generous use of the word "negotiable", but I like the way they list positions by province, and there seem to be as many university jobs on that one website as all the websites I crawled.

And thanks all for the replies. Some funny, but I needed a laugh. Its a good thing Zero, dgoodsell and LanGuTou don't make the hiring decisions.
Or do they?

I now think I mostly applied to jobs over my head (Shaghai University Embarassed ) but I guessed some recruiters would email me back with something else I could accept. I guessed right.

If this falls through, though I doubt it, I may then crawl abroadchina.org for the next set of email applications.

I wonder how long it takes to get a Z visa? I expect an interview with the school this week. Then again, maybe I should not ask. LOL

Gee, I'm glad I didn't ask which Chinese universities pay for airfare up
front! LOL kidding! Kidding! Have a beer! c|_|

Thanks all.
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hot_water_hillbilly



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically speaking there are absolute Department of Education, Foreign Experts Bureau, Immigration/PSB, and Health Departments required. Regardless of those around here who claim to know the process, there are technical, written requirements. However, by no means does that mean that all jurisdictions follow them.

Read the actual rules and you'll find that 2 years experience is required, that the Z visa be obtained outside the mainland (usually in the home country), and that an English training certificate be obtained OUTSIDE China. The rules do exist on paper - no matter those that come here and blabber that it's not true. In my area, I have an actual copy of the foreign expert requirements and have NEVER ONCE been asked to meet those requirements, until this year, they invoked some of the conditions for all teachers in our area.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hot_water_hillbilly wrote:
Technically speaking there are absolute Department of Education, Foreign Experts Bureau, Immigration/PSB, and Health Departments required.


Might be a dumb question, but where can I find them? All the Chinese govt and embassy websites I look at have hardly any information on them.

I'm particularly interested in the details of the 2-year experience requirement.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's try this:

Quote:
Is 2 yrs teaching exp needed to teach in a Chinese uni?


No.
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empiler1



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johntpartee wrote:

No.


My prospective employer says yes. They offered me a job, then when they went to get the foreign expert's certificate they discovered I might not meet the 2 years requirement.

Are they making it up? I just want to find out from a reliable source.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have first-hand knowledge of many teachers who did not have two years experience and got jobs. If your prospective employer says he can get around the "rule" (read: guideline), he has connections. You'll be okay.
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