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eclectic
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:51 am Post subject: Once and for all: does Malaysia require a cert. to teach? |
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Just need to rehash it again. I read on an ITTT Tesol site (could be they are just drumming up business)(this site is advertised on Dave's) that a certificate of teachng English as a foreign/second language is required by the ministry of ed. IS THIS TRUE?
If so, does anyone know anything about the CELTA program in KL? Tough finding info anywhere. I may then have to do that CELTA in order to teach in Malaysia. As I stand now, only 2 college degrees and 2 yrs experience in Korea. |
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KayuJati
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Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:02 am Post subject: Re: Once and for all: does Malaysia require a cert. to teach |
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eclectic wrote: |
Just need to rehash it again. I read on an ITTT Tesol site (could be they are just drumming up business)(this site is advertised on Dave's) that a certificate of teachng English as a foreign/second language is required by the ministry of ed. IS THIS TRUE?
If so, does anyone know anything about the CELTA program in KL? Tough finding info anywhere. I may then have to do that CELTA in order to teach in Malaysia. As I stand now, only 2 college degrees and 2 yrs experience in Korea. |
I doubt it. I have colleagues (Malaysian) who only have degrees in English or English Literature, and they get hired as English teachers. In other words, they do not have certs in TESL/TEFL/TESOL. It certainly helps to get hired, but is probably not a requirement except at public universities.
It does help, however, if one does have a Cert. Many of these degree-holders are going back to school for masters degrees with specialisation in TESL/TEFL/TESOL. The Malaysian market is getting wiser as to the importance of upgrading qualifications.
I hold BSc/MSc degrees along with one of those 120-hour CTEFLA (Cambridge U/Language House) certs. It looked good on my resume and the interviewers at both colleges liked to see it, but I think that my degrees were more important in the hiring than the Cert itself. But, that was 1996 and 2000, so the hiring climate may have changed.
If you are looking to go long-term in SE Asia, you might want to consider that you will be competing with locals who have the same, or better, qualifications. Why hire the foreigner if a local can do the same? How are you going to differentiate yourself from the locals? In China, being white and a native speaker might be enough. It is less so in Malaysia.
Take a look at some of those 120-hour Cert programs. Many take only one month to complete, and they make you a better-informed teacher. I enjoyed my course and found it useful even though I have only taught ESL for two years since that time. |
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eclectic
Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 1122
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:51 am Post subject: |
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thx Kayujati. |
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chezal
Joined: 25 Feb 2009 Posts: 146
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Don't know about Malaysia but you could always do the CELTA in Indonesia.
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Rob Wood he's based in Jakarta and the CELTA organiser. These are his details.
Mr. ROBERT WOOD (CELTA)
THE BRITISH INSTITUTE
MENARA KUNINGAN ANNEX BUILDING FLOOR F-1
J1 HR RASUNA SAID BLOK X7 KAV.5
JAKARTA
12940
INDONESIA
Tel: 00 62 21 300 27988
Fax: 00 62 21 300 27960
E-mail: [email protected]
Internet: http://www.tbi.co.id |
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MrMrLuckyKhan
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 282 Location: Kingdom of Cambodia
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:38 am Post subject: |
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chezal wrote: |
Don't know about Malaysia but you could always do the CELTA in Indonesia.
Contact
Rob Wood he's based in Jakarta and the CELTA organiser. These are his details.
Mr. ROBERT WOOD (CELTA)
THE BRITISH INSTITUTE
MENARA KUNINGAN ANNEX BUILDING FLOOR F-1
J1 HR RASUNA SAID BLOK X7 KAV.5
JAKARTA
12940
INDONESIA
Tel: 00 62 21 300 27988
Fax: 00 62 21 300 27960
E-mail: [email protected]
Internet: http://www.tbi.co.id |
I would suggest doing the CELTA anywhere but there!!!! Unless they've gotten a new instructor for the celta course there, I've heard that guy is absolutely terrible!! Maybe that's why u have to drum up business for them, lol... |
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eclectic
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:30 am Post subject: |
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did too find it a bit promotional there but thx 4 the Jakarta lead. and thx 4 the Jakarta warning to the subsequent poster!
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Maybe that's why u have to drum up business for them, lol... |
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chezal
Joined: 25 Feb 2009 Posts: 146
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Nope no promo just used to work for TBI and found them a good company to work for (when compared to other EFL companies in Indo).
On the instructor front I've never had any problem with Rob Wood who is one of the instructors. I think it depends who you speak too. Everyone has different opinions.
Also I've had a couple of friends do there CELTA there and they didn't have any complaints about it. It's also useful for getting contacts for jobs in and around the area and outside of Indonesia. |
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eclectic
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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thx but can you recommend any other program besides the CELTA? Id like to shop aropund a bit, its a virtual alphabet soup, and Im trying to save a bit, as some can range from $1290 US all the way to $2,300 US and neither price includes accomodation. Hey a thousand bucks is alot to me if I can save it. Please suggest a respectable program besides the Big Two (Cambridge celta and Trinity Tesol). |
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chezal
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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I would stick with either Cambridge celta or Trinity Tesol as these are well known everywhere.
I did mine with EF and have had to prove it's a real course ever since (it was accredited by The British Council).
I would recommend not touching the online courses with a barge pole. They are just a waste of money.
Good luck with it all. Once you have that certificate in hand it is a lot easier.  |
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rumncokefan
Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 5
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: Unsubstantiated negative comments |
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I see that a poster who from his comments does not appear to know me has posted negative hearsay and non-specific comments about me on this thread. I suppose that's a problem with the Internet and the lack of regulation that people, sometimes with an axe to grind, can post unsubstantiated comments publicly in ignorance. Oh, well .. I know the poster's source, and would just like to say to any readers out there to be wary of your sources.
Rob Wood |
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Hod
Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 1613 Location: Home
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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eclectic, where are you are now? |
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Nemodot
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Hi these sort of posts always mms me laugh a little as the op hasn't yet got the main issue in Asia. Everything depends. Rules in UK or USA are rules. The British are especially anal about rules.
In Asia rules are things written down as a guideline to the appropriate bribe to pay. The more rules you break the more it costs! Or if the immi official had an argument with his wife then the rules are suddenly more important. Or if the applicants country just bombed a Muslim country then the rules are suddenly stricter.
Malaysian wp rules do state that foreigners can only do jobs where the employer cannot find a Malaysian citizen to do the job. Age limits exist such as over 27 for IT workers and 28 for teachers. Technically to show there is no one in Malaysia who can do the job you need the right kind of tea hung cert. A degree seems optional if experienced and have a tefl cert. It all depends. As above!
The real issue is supply and demand for jobs in Malaysia. Big demand as a nice peaceful western friendly country especially kl. So employers can ask for proper certification. It's their requirement that really counts. And what did the immi offer have for breakfast when he gets your wp application. |
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