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mejms
Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Posts: 390
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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That�s a great excerpt about the lack of professionalism and qualifications for language teaching. And I agree that in order to teach a language, you need to first be a student of language. As the author says, that`s how every profession in the world works. First you learn, then you teach. With language teachers though, the attitude is if you speak it, then you can teach it.
My knowledge of Spanish helps me immensely in being a more efficient and effective English teacher. I can anticipate and really understand their mistakes. I don`t know if there is another way for a teacher to really be able to convey the language to a student without having a sense of what it means to learn a language. Maybe there is. Knowing grammar inside out doesn�t do the trick, though. I often think to myself that just as grammar is the framework for a language, so it needs to be the framework for your class. But that doesn�t mean teaching grammar per se. It means using grammar to teach language. If that�s too convoluted, I can say more about what I think. |
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mejms
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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That�s a great excerpt about the lack of professionalism and qualifications for language teaching. And I agree that in order to teach a language, you need to first be a student of language. As the author says, that`s how every profession in the world works. First you learn, then you teach. With language teachers though, the attitude is if you speak it, then you can teach it.
My knowledge of Spanish helps me immensely in being a more efficient and effective English teacher. I can anticipate and really understand their mistakes. I don`t know if there is another way for a teacher to really be able to convey the language to a student without having a sense of what it means to learn a language. Maybe there is. Knowing grammar inside out doesn�t do the trick, though. I often think to myself that just as grammar is the framework for a language, so it needs to be the framework for your class. But that doesn�t mean teaching grammar per se. It means using grammar to teach language. If that�s too convoluted, I can say more about what I think. |
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mejms
Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Posts: 390
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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That�s a great excerpt about the lack of professionalism and qualifications for language teaching. And I agree that in order to teach a language, you need to first be a student of language. As the author says, that`s how every profession in the world works. First you learn, then you teach. With language teachers though, the attitude is if you speak it, then you can teach it.
My knowledge of Spanish helps me immensely in being a more efficient and effective English teacher. I can anticipate and really understand their mistakes. I don`t know if there is another way for a teacher to really be able to convey the language to a student without having a sense of what it means to learn a language. Maybe there is. Knowing grammar inside out doesn�t do the trick, though. I often think to myself that just as grammar is the framework for a language, so it needs to be the framework for your class. But that doesn�t mean teaching grammar per se. It means using grammar to teach language. If that�s too convoluted, I can say more about what I think. |
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mejms
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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That�s a great excerpt about the lack of professionalism and qualifications for language teaching. And I agree that in order to teach a language, you need to first be a student of language. As the author says, that`s how every profession in the world works. First you learn, then you teach. With language teachers though, the attitude is if you speak it, then you can teach it.
My knowledge of Spanish helps me immensely in being a more efficient and effective English teacher. I can anticipate and really understand their mistakes. I don`t know if there is another way for a teacher to really be able to convey the language to a student without having a sense of what it means to learn a language. Maybe there is. Knowing grammar inside out doesn�t do the trick, though. I often think to myself that just as grammar is the framework for a language, so it needs to be the framework for your class. But that doesn�t mean teaching grammar per se. It means using grammar to teach language. If that�s too convoluted, I can say more about what I think. |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Are you posting from like the fifth dimension, mejms?  |
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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You know, Guy, it's just-
Poftarenya, mats uchenya! |
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mejms
Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Posts: 390
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Alright, boys, have your fun. It's nice to see you give it a shot. |
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ElJuero
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Posts: 58
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:30 pm Post subject: comparisons |
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Guy Courchesne wrote: |
I wonder how the numbers compare with other countries/cultures in learning a second language. Say, Koreans learning English, Americans learning spanish, Greeks learning Mandarin... |
I don't know what the rates are but I agree, it would be interesting to see what the success rates were for crossing over from a given language to another by country.
I happened to teach ESL in Mexico and Central America (a bit) before coming to Korea where I now teach TESOL in a high school.
Frankly, for it's being a much more developed (industrially speaking) country than Mexico and spending an astronomical amount of money on English education, the results are quite poor. Maybe you could describe it as terrible even.
I do think there are a multitude of factors in this and they differ from country to country. I suspect that you need better qualified teachers and SMALLER class sizes which aren't always present in either Mexico or South Korea.
South Korea's a very different set of problems though - Korean publishers publish horrid texts which send people in the wrong direction and on top of this, tests are really used as a tool for developing an educational pecking order. The tests which students must take for universities are often written by Koreans who barely speak the language themselves so students batter their heads up against English that is incomprehensible to native speakers. Combine this with a Korean penchant for just "striving harder" rather than analyzing what's actually working or not working and you can imagine the mess.
The money's better here (well, I actually get paid as opposed to ripped off!) but I can hardly wait until I can return to Mexico or somewhere in Latin America. |
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ontoit
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 99
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:58 am Post subject: |
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Like any other learning activity, motivation is the key.
A competent teacher can help, but even a horrible teacher can't stop someone hellbent to learn from learning, short of locking the poor stiff up in a closet with the light switched off. |
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Professor

Joined: 22 May 2009 Posts: 449 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I'm curious. The original first page is missing from your thread Phil K. Why?? You know the page that you had listed the problems with the colegio, universities and so forth.
Where did THAT page go?? People considering coming here have a right to know the many pitfalls. Just curious. |
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