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MrWright
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Location: Arizona
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 Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: MA Tesol |
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| Greetings. I have a question for all of you out there. I am a certified teacher in Arizona and I currently am endorsed to teach History and ESL, although I have never taught ESL, only History. I am considering starting a MA Tesol program. I know that being licensed I can teach in the international schools and that the pay is generally good. But other than that, with a MA Tesol degree, what kind of jobs does that open up for me internationally? How does that credential distinguish me from having only some kind of tefl or celta and what additional opportunities does it provide? Thanks in advance. |
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tttompatz
Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: MA Tesol |
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| MrWright wrote: |
| Greetings. I have a question for all of you out there. I am a certified teacher in Arizona and I currently am endorsed to teach History and ESL, although I have never taught ESL, only History. I am considering starting a MA Tesol program. I know that being licensed I can teach in the international schools and that the pay is generally good. But other than that, with a MA Tesol degree, what kind of jobs does that open up for me internationally? How does that credential distinguish me from having only some kind of tefl or celta and what additional opportunities does it provide? Thanks in advance. |
You are fine for primary/secondary level teaching globally.
The MA would come into play if you were looking at post secondary teaching level positions (college, university) abroad.
The TEFL/CELTA is largely a waste of your time and money if you hold an ESL endorsement with your teaching credentials. They are entry level certifications aimed at non-teachers.
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Sadebugo
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: MA Tesol |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
| MrWright wrote: |
| Greetings. I have a question for all of you out there. I am a certified teacher in Arizona and I currently am endorsed to teach History and ESL, although I have never taught ESL, only History. I am considering starting a MA Tesol program. I know that being licensed I can teach in the international schools and that the pay is generally good. But other than that, with a MA Tesol degree, what kind of jobs does that open up for me internationally? How does that credential distinguish me from having only some kind of tefl or celta and what additional opportunities does it provide? Thanks in advance. |
You are fine for primary/secondary level teaching globally.
The MA would come into play if you were looking at post secondary teaching level positions (college, university) abroad.
The TEFL/CELTA is largely a waste of your time and money if you hold an ESL endorsement with your teaching credentials. They are entry level certifications aimed at non-teachers.
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Agreed! The CELTA is for those who need a first qualification although you will find employers who require it regardless of your educational background. I once applied for a position in which the employer insisted I have a CELTA even though I already had an MATEFL and eight years of experience up to that point. He said he'd hire me if I took the course between now and the time he needed me. Of course, I took a pass and just found a university position somewhere else. It makes you wonder how familiar with the requirements of the profession some employers are.
Sadebugo
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MrWright
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Location: Arizona
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks. As far as pay goes, are uni jobs better generally? I mean, with the ma tesol, what's the goal job usually? Know what I mean? I have read about all these entry level jobs at either language schools or some public schools that people mostly complain about on this forum. I know international schools have much better pay. But what is an ESL job somewhere between those entry level positions and the international schools, both in pay and job satisfaction. I know this might be hard to answer, but please just give me your best shot. Thanks. |
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Sadebugo
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| MrWright wrote: |
| Thanks. As far as pay goes, are uni jobs better generally? I mean, with the ma tesol, what's the goal job usually? Know what I mean? I have read about all these entry level jobs at either language schools or some public schools that people mostly complain about on this forum. I know international schools have much better pay. But what is an ESL job somewhere between those entry level positions and the international schools, both in pay and job satisfaction. I know this might be hard to answer, but please just give me your best shot. Thanks. |
No problem. Before I answer though, please keep in mind that I'm generalizing and only speaking of countries that I've actually worked in. In Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Thailand, the language institutes usually pay more than university positions. However, especially in Korea, the universities often require far fewer contact hours and offer much longer vacations. For example, at the university I taught at in Korea, I made a few hundred dollars less on the month but had five months of paid vacation! Still, these benefits seem to be going by the wayside especially in the Seoul area. In Saudi, there is another option. You can work for a military contractor and make an obscene amount of money. Many MAs forgo the universities there in order to do this.
Ultimately, you should be shooting for a university position to make the most of your MA. I have no experience with international schools but do know their attraction depends on which country you're in. For example, in Thailand where the average teacher's salary is between Baht 30,000 and 50,000, an international school that pays over 100,000/month is considered a dream job. In Saudi, $3,000 American pales in comparison to the $5,000 that some contractors pay. Of course, this assumes that salary is your primary concern.
Hope this helps a little,
Sadebugo
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tttompatz
Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| MrWright wrote: |
| Thanks. As far as pay goes, are uni jobs better generally? I mean, with the ma tesol, what's the goal job usually? Know what I mean? I have read about all these entry level jobs at either language schools or some public schools that people mostly complain about on this forum. I know international schools have much better pay. But what is an ESL job somewhere between those entry level positions and the international schools, both in pay and job satisfaction. I know this might be hard to answer, but please just give me your best shot. Thanks. |
It depends on how you want to look at it.
If you want to only consider the rate per hour/class then university jobs always pay better per hour but monthly they are about the same as an entry level job in any given country but with about 1/2-1/3 the class load and office time...
BUT (big but here)...
If you consider the whole package and look at the jingle in your jeans at the end of the month (potential savings, etc) then REAL international schools are at the top of the pile, followed by language institutes and public schools and at the bottom of the pack you will find the university positions.
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