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Kornan DeKobb



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Dang thing takes up about half of my laptop screen!! Laughing

But as to what will or may happen in customs... there is always a large variance in what they say they can or will do and what they end up doing.

Kornan DeKobb wrote:
Close, VS, but no cigar. They told me housing would be shared! I doubt it is much of a loss, though.

I didn't even think you smoked!

Shared housing... ugh... living with strangers... often very strange strangers. Shocked

I'm confused at the last line... "smoked?"

VS

Sorry for the confusion. If you do, maybe SnB will give bestow upon you one of his (if you are nice to him). Smile
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killthebuddha



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bfaris96 wrote:
Say what you will of me, I'm in. I don't consider the living situation ghastly, I think the wage is fair, and I'm willing to teach for 6 hours a day. I'm also willing to work with difficult students.

And I've been researching the woman who's developing the curriculum, NS (MOD edit for names). She seems to be an accomplished person. Do you all just think AHEd is lying outright about how their curriculum is being developed?


Yes bfaris96,

You're in, and kudos to you "come heck or high water." If I'd based my earlier decision entirely upon what I'd read at the Korea forum, I never would have gone. Do remember, the posts here are not about you, but about "surmising up" AHEd, TVTC, etc. Think of your experience as boot camp, keep your head down, and read your Nietzsche.

About the curriculum...ditto what VS said, in spades. I'm not sure how a Harvard writing course translates into ESL in the KSA (or anywhere, for that matter), or how much of a hand this person has had in the curriculum you'll be using; her bio- at the AHEd site is a cut-and-paste job from the Harvard site. Just remember the words of John Coltrane...(you're getting sleepy...verry sleepy...your eyelids are getting heavy... Shocked )

"You can play a shoestring if you're sincere."

Anyone interested can look at these, but I doubt much will be gleaned:

MOD edit

--ktb

(Let's keep the discussion to the employer not individuals - MOD)
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(MOD edit - same reason)

Something is amiss...I would be suprised if she had any direct input into the development of the curriculum...her notions of writing are too radical (advanced?) for KSA...at any rate would be interesting to hear back as to how it all worked out.

The "woman" has written a book on 'Curriculum writing in Saudi Arabia and if one does a search can easily find the site by typing her name and the phrase...must be a member to actually download the book though so who knows how it will all work out, new ideas are certainly worth a try... not so sure how they will be received...
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Mia Xanthi



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Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Say what you will of me, I'm in. I don't consider the living situation ghastly, I think the wage is fair, and I'm willing to teach for 6 hours a day. I'm also willing to work with difficult students.


There was a song in the 90s which had the refrain, "Wish you would step back from that ledge, my friend..." Why does this song keep going around in my head as I read this thread?

Low pay? Teaching 6 hours a day? To the world's most uncooperative students? Shared housing with the nuttiest teachers the Kingdom has to offer? A curriculum written by people who have probably never set foot in the Middle East?

Any one of these factors could send the average teacher running. All of them together assure that you will be going out of your mind after six weeks, and screaming on this board for mercy after three months.

DON'T JUMP! PLEASE, DON'T JUMP!
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kbp4g5



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been trolling this forum, especially this thread, a lot over the past couple of weeks as I've recently begun applying to KSA schools. You veterans have been pretty helpful in bringing to light all the question marks about AhED's job offer.

I received a job offer from them a while back and was very eager for the opportunity to take it and move to KSA. However, after reading everything through, it inspired me to do a lot more research about the Saudi teaching market, and it basically helped reiterate everything that you guys said here in the thread about Ahed. (Low salary, unproven curriculum, high work hours, questionable hiring procedure, unsatisfactory housing arrangements)

I've now accepted an offer at another school in Saudi Arabia for considerably more money with a school day of 4 hours in the classroom, as well as single housing, as opposed to AhED's college theme of shared apartments.

I really appreciate everyone's input and forthrightness in discussing this school. I now feel like I have a much better grasp on what I should expect from a KSA school, and was able to parlay that into a better position. Cheers!
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Blkinkorea31



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kbp4g5 wrote:
I've been trolling this forum, especially this thread, a lot over the past couple of weeks as I've recently begun applying to KSA schools. You veterans have been pretty helpful in bringing to light all the question marks about AhED's job offer.

I received a job offer from them a while back and was very eager for the opportunity to take it and move to KSA. However, after reading everything through, it inspired me to do a lot more research about the Saudi teaching market, and it basically helped reiterate everything that you guys said here in the thread about Ahed. (Low salary, unproven curriculum, high work hours, questionable hiring procedure, unsatisfactory housing arrangements)

I've now accepted an offer at another school in Saudi Arabia for considerably more money with a school day of 4 hours in the classroom, as well as single housing, as opposed to AhED's college theme of shared apartments.

I really appreciate everyone's input and forthrightness in discussing this school. I now feel like I have a much better grasp on what I should expect from a KSA school, and was able to parlay that into a better position. Cheers!


I'm with you kb. The manner in which AHEd has conducted itself, its lack of tranparency, and now this last minute rush to secure visa (1st offering assistance and then later revoking the assistance) has been off putting in more ways than one. In addition, the feedback from this forum has made me more knowledge on what is an acceptable offer and what is not.I'd hate to move to Saudi and hate every minute of my job and not have access to my social vice of choice, a nice cocktail. It one thing to give up my social vice, for good pay, decent students and a comfy abode, its totally not worth it for long hours, a sh*tty salary, which I could continue to earn in Korea, and share living quarters.

BIK
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killthebuddha



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cmp45 wrote:
(MOD edit - same reason)

The "woman" has written a book on 'Curriculum writing in Saudi Arabia and if one does a search can easily find the site by typing her name and the phrase...must be a member to actually download the book though so who knows how it will all work out, new ideas are certainly worth a try... not so sure how they will be received...


Sorry,

But my Google search, per your instructions, yielded nada pertaining to the subject of said search terms. I doubt that going further in than 4 Google pages would have yielded anything different. Are you sure the "book" you mention wasn't just the pdf of her other work?

--ktb
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry wrong order...should be her first/last name and..."writing curriculum in saudi arabia...it is in an e-book storage...btw I used yahoo search Wink as to your question regarding content/pdf of her work...I have no idea as I didn't pursue it any further...you can sign up and become a member and access the e-book.

oh wth...here is a link...which most likely will be deleted again... Rolling Eyes

http://express-downloads.com/download.php?file=nancy%20sommers%20writing%20curriculum%20in%20saudi%20arabia
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killthebuddha



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cmp45 wrote:
Sorry wrong order...should be her first/last name and..."writing curriculum in saudi arabia...it is in an e-book storage...


But cmp45,

That was the word order I took from your post and used at Google. I went to the link and could only see "___ ___ Writing Curriculum in..."

So I went to Yahoo, and the nearest I could get to a match was that our Speaker of the House was born in Jerusalem and raised in Saudi Arabia. Rolling Eyes

--ktb
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear ktb,

I went to the link cmp45 provided:

"Download Name Download Speed
*****.*******.writing.curriculum.in.saudi.arabia.rar 1673 Kbit/s

Server Access Denied. You need to be logged in to download.

If you are not a member and have not signed up already, please go to our signup page and register a new account. The process is quick and easy!

If you have already signed up, please login with your username and password before you begin downloading.:

But, as mentioned, you have to sign up and log-in in order to download. Apparently, it's free, though.

Regards,
John

P.S. The asterisks in the above quote are, of course, mine.
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killthebuddha



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks johnslat,

Maybe you were able to select a (country) server site that took you to a full title (I couldn't), but I still don't believe it. These torrent sites often blend/wed search terms that are completely unrelated. This "book," if it exists, would have to be so new as to evade detection. If anyone can demonstrate that such a work exists, I'll eat THEIR hat.

--ktb
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear ktb,

My mistake - it's not free:

"You are merely seconds away from gaining access to our private download services. In order to cover the cost of upkeep of the site, including server and hosting fees, we ask that our members to join one of our partner's websites for the small fee of $1.95. This will ensure that our site will continue to run as flawlessly as possible, and satisfy your needs. Since we keep your security in mind, we advise you to sign up through our 3rd party billing system in order to keep your payment and billing information secure.

Please note that we do not bill for membership to this website. By clicking the "Checkout" button, you will be redirected to the join page of Media Downloads Tool, a website operated by our partners. Membership to our website comes complimentary as a bonus with your Media Downloads Tool membership."

Regards,
John
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ktb,
You're right; no fear in eating anyone's hat!

Although this "woman" has written and collaborated on a number of books, there is nothing that I could legitimately find regarding her 'writing Curriculum in Saudi Arabia'...so guess that link was just a bunch of bogus crap meant to lure one into that downloading site Rolling Eyes appologies... Cool
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bje



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: visits Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
It is claimed that ever-so-clever we-know-it-all learned savants from - gasp - Harvard University are writing the texts to be used.
HO HO roflol! [ie. rolling on the classroom floor and screaming with amusement]

Some Western teachers at the Dammam and Hofuf GOVTEVT colleges wrote and illustrated sharp and appropriate texts way back in the nineties.

Where are these texts now?

Given the perceived 'student body' largely inexperienced teachers will be dealing with, the credentials of the woman purportedly writing the curriculum may be neither here nor there. As inferred above, locally-produced materials are what is needed.
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killthebuddha



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks cmp45,

I've seen someone eat a shoe and it wasn't pretty.

Yes johnslat, I'm very familiar with that site--there are dozens that feed into it, and I've been tempted to join because they claim to have Huddleston and Pullam's Cambridge Grammar of the English Language. It isn't that I don't want to pay the discounted $165; I just don't want to carry books anymore.

--ktb
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