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shanana



Joined: 10 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:33 am    Post subject: New Overseas Applicants Reply with quote

Hey all,

So I'm trying to get over to Japan sometime around next spring. I just started the long and dreadful application process and was wondering if there's anyone else out there going through it too? Let's band together and make it over!

Haha, so self plug here. I'm documenting my experiences via blog, check it out at shananafml.blogspot.com if you have the time!

Thanks and good luck to us all LOL
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genesis315



Joined: 30 Mar 2010
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I swooped by your blog and am looking forward to this blow by blow of your Japanese teaching odyssey. You seem to have the energy and initiative.

Would love to be doing this myself. I am in a tough situation. I have a job making six figures that I do not have to much fun at and in a location I do not like either.

The question is do I leave a job paying this much when the economy in so many places is total crap to do something that I would possibly enjoy a lot more. Almost any location inside Japan I would consider an improvement over this place.

Good luck!!!
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TokyoLiz



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shanana, why Japan? And what are your career aspirations? How long do you want to stay in Japan?

Japan's not a great destination for a noob with no teaching aspirations, or teacher training. So, what's driving you?
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shanana



Joined: 10 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

genesis315 wrote:
I swooped by your blog and am looking forward to this blow by blow of your Japanese teaching odyssey. You seem to have the energy and initiative.

Would love to be doing this myself. I am in a tough situation. I have a job making six figures that I do not have to much fun at and in a location I do not like either.

The question is do I leave a job paying this much when the economy in so many places is total crap to do something that I would possibly enjoy a lot more. Almost any location inside Japan I would consider an improvement over this place.

Good luck!!!


Good luck to you as well! If you do decide to go for it, I hope we both make it over. If not, man...I sure hope the good paycheck is worth it?

TokyoLiz wrote:
Shanana, why Japan? And what are your career aspirations? How long do you want to stay in Japan?

Japan's not a great destination for a noob with no teaching aspirations, or teacher training. So, what's driving you?


It's where I want to be. Naturally, I can't jump over to Japan and not have a job; and since no regular job would hire me I do believe that teaching is the only option for me. I'm planning on staying AT LEAST for 5 years. Haha, can't really do that while being unemployed you know?
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Calico



Joined: 20 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently in the process as well - have been in June. Had an interview with AEON but didn't get invited back for the second round, but have made it through the phone interviews with PKC and Interac. I looked at your blog, and based on how many places you're applying to...real good luck going out to you here! Do it keep it updated, I'm interested in following.
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shanana



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! Haha I'm actually updating the blog right now (had the Gaba interview, whew!).

But CONGRATS on PCK and Interac! Any word on interview sessions yet?
And also...how was the Interac phone interview?? I'm actually scheduled with them tomorrow, eheh.
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genesis315



Joined: 30 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good post on that Gaba interview. keep it up please.
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TokyoLiz



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, too, had a strong attraction to Japan, specifically Kanto, and came over 10 years ago. Geoarbitrage was not the primary consideration at the time; the biggest motivation was martial training, and making a living in yen was not nearly as important as learning the language at that point.

I was a language teacher holding a TESOL post-graduate diploma for 6 years in Canada before I made the jump.

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I do believe that teaching is the only option for me.


There are options for young foreigners getting started here. Five of my friends, all in their late 20s, came over on working holiday visas or as visitors and got jobs in their fields.They are all thriving in IT and banking now. I've met people who work in translation and journalism, too, who started as students here.

One friend, a Swedish IT recent graduate, came to study the Japanese language for 18 months, worked part time, met and married her Osaka guy husband.

I wouldn't recommend any of the companies you have mentioned on your blog. Too many of them outright ignore labour laws and through sketchy contract manipulation, force you to shoulder tax and social welfare costs that they are required by law to pick up.

I was a JET participant the first time out and while I am very critical of JET, it is one of the few doors open to recent graduates that provides some support for immigrants, temporary or otherwise. I'd say, get in while JET is still flying.

Good luck!
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PO1



Joined: 24 May 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are just starting out, it's not a bad idea to get your foot in the door with any of the companies listed on your blog. Granted, I'm not that experienced either, but it's easier to get into Japan through dispatch or eikaiwa than through other means. I think a lot of people with minimal experience would agree. If you could speak advanced Japanese, could come over on a working holiday visa, etc. then your options may be wider.

Even if some of those companies have bad reputations in some circles, they have good reputations in others. I'm sure there are varying opinions on each of those.

I say you're doing the right thing, applying for as many jobs as you can. I hope AEON works out for you. They generally have a favorable reputation.

Good luck!
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shanana



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
There are options for young foreigners getting started here. Five of my friends, all in their late 20s, came over on working holiday visas or as visitors and got jobs in their fields.They are all thriving in IT and banking now. I've met people who work in translation and journalism, too, who started as students here.



Unfortunately, I can't come on a working holiday visa. USA doesn't offer it. And, to be honest, I'd much rather come to Japan with a crappy job that I can quit than fly over and cross my fingers for good luck. I'm definitely not JLPT1-level.

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One friend, a Swedish IT recent graduate, came to study the Japanese language for 18 months, worked part time, met and married her Osaka guy husband.



DEFINITELY not what I was thinking when I decided to move to Japan.

PO1 wrote:
If you are just starting out, it's not a bad idea to get your foot in the door with any of the companies listed on your blog. Granted, I'm not that experienced either, but it's easier to get into Japan through dispatch or eikaiwa than through other means. I think a lot of people with minimal experience would agree. If you could speak advanced Japanese, could come over on a working holiday visa, etc. then your options may be wider.

Even if some of those companies have bad reputations in some circles, they have good reputations in others. I'm sure there are varying opinions on each of those.

I say you're doing the right thing, applying for as many jobs as you can. I hope AEON works out for you. They generally have a favorable reputation.

Good luck!


Thanks. Yeah, I'd heard that Aeon was one of the better ones too. I'm just crossing my fingers that I can perform well come interview time!
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Calico



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shanana wrote:
Thanks! Haha I'm actually updating the blog right now (had the Gaba interview, whew!).

But CONGRATS on PCK and Interac! Any word on interview sessions yet?
And also...how was the Interac phone interview?? I'm actually scheduled with them tomorrow, eheh.


The phone interview isn't bad at all, except I could barely hear my interviewer. They just ask the usual, and so long as you answer well enough they usually invite you to the physical interview, or at least that's my experience.
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Samurai



Joined: 12 Apr 2004
Posts: 57
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with TokyoLiz...the Jet Program is a far better option than any of the dispatch companies currently operating.
As you plan to come over next spring then Jet would seem the ideal choice. I suspect that the BOE's next year will have even less money to play with than this year. When the dispatch bidding wars start over winning contracts it will be the ALT who loses out.

As TokyoLiz wrote:-
I wouldn't recommend any of the companies you have mentioned on your blog. Too many of them outright ignore labour laws and through sketchy contract manipulation, force you to shoulder...social welfare costs that they are required by law to pick up.

From my own experience and knowledge, having been a Jet and worked for a dispatch company, I would strongly recommend anyone wanting to come to Japan to teach English to try Jet first.
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Okonomiyaki



Joined: 17 Aug 2010
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Location: Thailand at the moment

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:31 am    Post subject: joy versus money Reply with quote

genesis315 wrote:
I am in a tough situation. I have a job making six figures that I do not have to much fun at and in a location I do not like either.

The question is do I leave a job paying this much when the economy in so many places is total crap to do something that I would possibly enjoy a lot more. Almost any location inside Japan I would consider an improvement over this place.


Are you sure this isn't a case of "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"? I mean, how do you KNOW you'd rather be in Japan, and rather be teaching for 250,000 baht a month?

Keep in mind a few simple facts:
1) LOCATION in Japan makes a great deal of difference. City life is a fast-paced, expensive, crowded experience, whereas just an hour out into the countryside housing is almost free, the only night life is frogs and crickets, and there ain't nobody there 'cept you between puberty and pension.

2) MONEY. 6 figures is nice, especially during the Global Economic Meltdown. Are you SURE you'd want to give that up for... well... a salary equivalent to what buger-flippin' fast food teenage staff makes back in America?

3) ZERO UPWARD MOBILITY unless you're one of the rare fully academic language teachers who becomes a college professor, or plan to become a businessman OWNING a school rather than a teacher. English school employers in Japan usually see foreigners as low-quality workers, easily replaced from the constant influx of new teachers. There may be low-level teacher-manager positions, but nothing that would put you anywere near even a third of your current salary. Forget about saving for retirement!

4) Non-teaching jobs in Japan: admittedly, some overwhelming percentage of all English speakers' jobs in Japan are English Teacher jobs. There are well-paid exceptions, though-- grant application translators, high tech people, etc. You can see many of these jobs at GaijinPot.com (which has a smattering of teaching jobs, too). Keep in mind, though, that these non-teaching jobs are in JAPANESE OFFICES. They won't cut you any slack for being a foreigner-- Japanese offices are rigid social networks with rules very different from a Western office.
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genesis315



Joined: 30 Mar 2010
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okonomiyaki,

You definitely bring up some great points. Thank you.

I will say I have have been fascinated by Japan from a relatively young age. Martial arts, gymnastics, incredible math skills, etc.. Today I realize that my imagination ran off a bit, but after visiting a couple places in early this year I found many things close to my expectations. I could clearly see some distinct challenges in trying to make a living there as opposed to vacationing, but overall I felt that I could almost definitely attain an above average level of happiness in many parts of Japan.

I do not have much of a personal life here due to the number of hours I work. As I find urban desert life rather gloomy, I would rather be working anyway, but cannot sustain this indefinitely. I have a nice savings built up, but it still bothers me to quit a high paying job when millions have no job at all.
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shostahoosier



Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: joy versus money Reply with quote

Okonomiyaki wrote:

Are you sure this isn't a case of "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"? I mean, how do you KNOW you'd rather be in Japan, and rather be teaching for 250,000 baht a month?



If someone can find a job in Japan that pays 250,000 BAHT a month...then I think they would be crazy to say no lol
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