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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:24 am    Post subject: The lobster pot Reply with quote

Just curious, how many teachers out there regret, or have regretted, starting their TEFL career?

Am I the only one who sometimes hears fairly experienced teachers moan that they made a mistake in getting into TEFL when they were young and full of wanderlust, but now that that lust has been sated, they have nothing to stay for but nothing to return to either. So easy to take off for parts foreign. Not so simple a matter to start up again back home.

Well?
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Sadebugo



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:49 am    Post subject: Re: The lobster pot Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
Just curious, how many teachers out there regret, or have regretted, starting their TEFL career?

Am I the only one who sometimes hears fairly experienced teachers moan that they made a mistake in getting into TEFL when they were young and full of wanderlust, but now that that lust has been sated, they have nothing to stay for but nothing to return to either. So easy to take off for parts foreign. Not so simple a matter to start up again back home.

Well?


I started teaching EFL in my early 30s mostly as a way to escape my previous career and to travel. At first, I loved the opportunities it provided but began to worry about my future and how I would fare in retirement. Fortunately, I was able to transition to a comparable government position several years ago. I teach ESL/EFL and travel to even more exotic locales than I ever did before. That's what saved me but I can certainly understand the concern of the older teachers. EFL is a capricious profession at best and most people are not savvy enough to build up sufficient retirement funds. Sure, you can save a lot of money depending on where you work. But, how many teachers do you know who can save the requisite one million American that most financial advisors recommend? Not too many, I bet.

So, although your question was not about retirement needs specifically, I suspect most of those teachers' fears result from an uncertain future. Their best years are behind them and they're not sure how to make up for lost time. If I were still working contract to contract 15 years after my start in the profession, I'm sure I'd also be having some doubts right now.

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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, retirement is a big issue. Also, lost time paying into insurance and pension plans at home. But some people I've worked with also have more deep-seated and more immediate concerns. They just don't seem to like teaching, or being abroad. Took them a few years to work that out, it appears, and by then it's too late to 'undo' the damage.

Sound familiar? Or is this just the strange people I encounter?
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting that the issue of retiring raises its head again.

i often wonder what people mean by 'retirement'.

does it mean that you can sit back and do what you want to do when you want rather than have to do thing at times dictated to you ?

assuming my health remains relatively good, i'd like to think that doing a few hours of (private) teaching a week would be a part of my retirement ... of course .... at times i choose.

it's not like it would be work that necessarily demands that you commute or have to submit to the rules and whims of some company supervisor and it's not a particularly physically taxing job now, is it ? you're basically self-emoployed and you make whatever rules you want.

i know of two uk retired secondary school teachers who offer private classes in their homes and they really enjoy it.

i'm sure the likes of us could do the same considering the numbers of EEC workers , immigrants, asylum seekers and summer students that have come and potentially will come here in the future.


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Sadebugo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
True, retirement is a big issue. Also, lost time paying into insurance and pension plans at home. But some people I've worked with also have more deep-seated and more immediate concerns. They just don't seem to like teaching, or being abroad. Took them a few years to work that out, it appears, and by then it's too late to 'undo' the damage.

Sound familiar? Or is this just the strange people I encounter?


It does sound familiar and that's a bit scary as it becomes more and more difficult to reintegrate into the workforce of one's own country after a gap.

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Sadebugo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

basiltherat wrote:
interesting that the issue of retiring raises its head again.

i often wonder what people mean by 'retirement'.

does it mean that you can sit back and do what you want to do when you want rather than have to do thing at times dictated to you ?

assuming my health remains relatively good, i'd like to think that doing a few hours of (private) teaching a week would be a part of my retirement ... of course .... at times i choose.

it's not like it would be work that necessarily demands that you commute or have to submit to the rules and whims of some company supervisor and it's not a particularly physically taxing job now, is it ? you're basically self-emoployed and you make whatever rules you want.

i know of two uk retired secondary school teachers who offer private classes in their homes and they really enjoy it.

i'm sure the likes of us could do the same considering the numbers of EEC workers , immigrants, asylum seekers and summer students that have come and potentially will come here in the future.


best
basil


As you implied, 'retirement' would mean different things to different people. For me, it means having enough funds to support myself if I were NOT able to work. At some point, all of us must accept that age will limit our options and that we need some kind of plan to survive. Some may be able to rely on family, some on welfare payments from their respective governments, etc. Most of us though would prefer to settle this issue in advance by accruing enough funds and/or having a job that provided some type of pension plan. Reaching old age without any means to support yourself is a frightening scenario and currently working in a capricious industry such as EFL only adds to this fear for some people.

I'm just glad I got out of that vicious cycle when I did.

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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of the people that I knew in the West that had conventional employment constantly talked about retirement; that was their goal. Retire. It seemed to me that they were wasting their productive years dreaming of the day when they could.........could what? Sit back and watch game shows and drink Riunite on ice? I can understand a coal miner or a steel worker wanting to "finish up" their loading and lifting years, but for a teacher it seems kind of odd. Does retiring mean turning your brain off?
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Sadebugo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johntpartee wrote:
All of the people that I knew in the West that had conventional employment constantly talked about retirement; that was their goal. Retire. It seemed to me that they were wasting their productive years dreaming of the day when they could.........could what? Sit back and watch game shows and drink Riunite on ice? I can understand a coal miner or a steel worker wanting to "finish up" their loading and lifting years, but for a teacher it seems kind of odd. Does retiring mean turning your brain off?


You make a good point and many people would like to work till the very end. However, you forget that it's not always your choice. At some point, you will be virtually unemployable due to age and the infirmities it brings. Look at Asia. Age discrimination for employment is prevalent throughout many of these countries. In Saudi Arabia, there are age restrictions established by law. I plan to teach EFL part time after I retire, but I don't believe I could support myself solely on this income. If you want a decent quality of life in your 'golden years,' you have to develop a plan to achieve that. If you don't, you're rolling the dice.

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cassava



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most satisfied EFL teachers that I have ever encountered were those who got involved in the profession after retiring from teaching positions in their countries of origin. In other words, after retiring from, say, Canada in their mid-fifties, they were able to work abroad for a decent salary while receiving pensions from their previous jobs.

Whatever little glamour there is in TEFL fades after a few years. Many teachers fall into a rut and become bored--just as people do in many other jobs. Nevertheless, the sad fact is that most overseas posts have absolutely no security of tenure. There are usually no professional teachers' organizations to protect teflers against vindictive or unfair accusations. In addition, most teachers can be given the boot at any time regardless of how unfair such an action might be.

People who get involved in the TEFL game need to plan very carefully for their financial future from the very beginning. They also need to keep open all their options for returning home while upgrading their education qualifications as much as possible while they are overseas. If they do this, they might stand a fighting chance of acquiring worthwhile positions when they do decide to return home.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cassava wrote:
The most satisfied EFL teachers that I have ever encountered were those who got involved in the profession after retiring from teaching positions in their countries of origin. In other words, after retiring from, say, Canada in their mid-fifties, they were able to work abroad for a decent salary while receiving pensions from their previous jobs.

Whatever little glamour there is in TEFL fades after a few years. Many teachers fall into a rut and become bored--just as people do in many other jobs. Nevertheless, the sad fact is that most overseas posts have absolutely no security of tenure. There are usually no professional teachers' organizations to protect teflers against vindictive or unfair accusations. In addition, most teachers can be given the boot at any time regardless of how unfair such an action might be.

People who get involved in the TEFL game need to plan very carefully for their financial future from the very beginning. They also need to keep open all their options for returning home while upgrading their education qualifications as much as possible while they are overseas. If they do this, they might stand a fighting chance of acquiring worthwhile positions when they do decide to return home.


Well said! I earned my MATEFL while overseas and that degree assisted me in getting my current position. Fortunately, I have no fear for the future now.

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Insubordination



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main thing I worry about is that if the bottom falls out of the industry, as it seems to be doing right now in my country, I will be so fed up with irregular hours and quick changes to working conditions that I'll want to quit. The problem is that I will be so out-of-contact with other fields as to be almost unemployable.

I'm thinking of applying for a soul-sucking job in educational administration, even though I'd probably strongly dislike it, just to diversify. Also, although the pay is lower, it would be permanent with increased benefits. Man, I'm sure glad I don't have any dependents.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

basiltherat wrote:
assuming my health remains relatively good, i'd like to think that doing a few hours of (private) teaching a week would be a part of my retirement ... of course .... at times i choose.


I hope your health remains good, basil, but I wouldn�t wish even a few hours of private teaching on any pensioner.

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As for the lobster pot, I studied engineering and went on to work in a big British engineering company. After eighteen months, they sent me to Asia for a year. Asia was good, and the utter devastation in having to return to England was beyond description. I struggled on back in Blighty for a year before leaving to do TEFL.

The TEFL thing lasted five years. I will never ever regret that time, but it was getting more and more boring to teach EFL every day. I still don�t understand how anyone can do it long term.

I�d got in out of my system, and by luck more than planning, I never burned bridges and ended up going back to the same engineering company, which is where I still work, albeit now in Germany. Teachers should always keep an eye on opportunities to do other work. I saw too many disgruntled teachers in their fifties or sixties in the British Council to tell me the TEFL future was bleak.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Hod,


"I hope your health remains good, basil, but I wouldn�t wish even a few hours of private teaching on any pensioner."

The thing you may be forgetting is that, believe it or not, some of us actually enjoy teaching - like it a lot. So, please throw me in that briar patch, Brer Fox.
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Hod



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear John

I'm genuinely happy you�re a healthy sixty-seven year old and enjoy the work. I�ve seen sprightly seventy-year olds with more zest than me (40 now), but very sadly you must also have friends your age who are not able to work, even if they would like to.

Luckily, you seem financially OK, but for others I still maintain that intending to work beyond pensionable age instead of any financial planning is asking for trouble.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's always the drink-yerself-to-death option. Don't need to teach the brats or save for that rainy day, hic!
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