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Iceman33
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| AGoodStory wrote: |
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| Generalizations are fine to make in certain contexts, and other times they are not so "intelligent". It all depends on the situation and how you come to your conclusion. Sometimes, though, we cannot justify our opinions -- they just are as they are. |
And sometimes they are called "irrational biases."  Or perhaps, to use Justin's term, "prejudices." |
A most human thing to have, indeed! And I don't think I will ever know anyone without them.  |
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johnslat
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I am prejudiced only against prejudiced people.
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Isla Guapa
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:15 am Post subject: |
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I am prejudiced only against prejudiced people.
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John |
Me too, mostly because they bring out the worst in my character when I have to deal with them in person or online!  |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Prejudices, irrational biases, generalisations. All very well, but what you you term an intense dislike of certain things, say on-line TEFL courses, due to repeated negative experiences in dealing with them, both as a DOS and teacher-trainer, working in a school that has mistakenly hired a crop of newbies with no practical teaching experience whatsoever, but very strong ( internet-based ) opinions on how to teach? |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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but what you you term an intense dislike of certain things, say (graduates of) on-line TEFL courses,
I'd term this in two ways 1) too-easy access to high-quality vodka
and 2) experience-based prejudice or stereotyping - some justification for both!! |
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AGoodStory
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| . . . but what you you term an intense dislike of certain things, say on-line TEFL courses, due to repeated negative experiences in dealing with them. . . |
Hmmm. . . I think I would describe this as evidence-based, rather than irrational! |
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AGoodStory
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
| . . . too-easy access to high-quality vodka . . . |
Well, yes, there is that! |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Ha ha! Hic! Is an evidence-based argument admissible on this forum? I don't think it is. This would be unfairly prejudicial against newbies who don't have any. Or first-hand experience, hic! I don't think it comes with an on-line course... |
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AGoodStory
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| Is an evidence-based argument admissible on this forum? |
I've seen no evidence of it! |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I think I have seen it once... but I can't be sure as I was really under the influence at the time, back when I used to drink heavily, hic! Saw it double, actually, hic! |
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Iceman33
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| I know folks with Master's in TESOL who say that Celta certficates are worthless. They believe that you need two years in training at a qualified university to be an effective TESOL instructor. |
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AGoodStory
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| Iceman33 wrote: |
| I know folks with Master's in TESOL who say that Celta certficates are worthless. They believe that you need two years in training at a qualified university to be an effective TESOL instructor. |
I think the OP was asking about on-line courses. I don't thinks he's going to do an MA just yet. Or a CELTA. Although it sounds as if he may be considering both on-line and on-site courses.
To the OP: Carl, are you still considering the possibility of doing an on-site TEFL cert? Or are you now looking only at on-line courses? |
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Sashadroogie
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| I know folks with Master's in TESOL who say that Celta certficates are worthless. They believe that you need two years in training at a qualified university to be an effective TESOL instructor. |
They may very well believe this, but such beliefs are baseless and confused, as evidenced by the phrase 'qualified university'... |
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Iceman33
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
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| I know folks with Master's in TESOL who say that Celta certficates are worthless. They believe that you need two years in training at a qualified university to be an effective TESOL instructor. |
They may very well believe this, but such beliefs are baseless and confused, as evidenced by the phrase 'qualified university'... |
Yeah, it's just their opinion, but I, personally, cannot see how a 4-5 week Celta course can be superior to an MA in TESOL (2-year) from a US university?
Folks with just Celtas and Deltas cannot teach at American universities -- and rightly so. |
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Justin Trullinger
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Is anyone actually saying a CELTA is superior to a Masters in TESOL?
I certainly haven't, and hadn't noticed anybody else doing so.
I said, and will say again, that CELTA and other good entry level qualifications are a good place to start.
I have said, and will say again, that unrelated academic quals are NOT an adequate replacement for entry level teaching qualifications.
But an MA in TESOL is awfully relevant...
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JUstin |
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