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The Truth about Working at Shane English School
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Is Shane the best of the big schools in Japan?
Yes
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No
75%
 75%  [ 21 ]
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ShioriEigoKyoushi



Joined: 21 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have to be British to work for Shane?
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Piri-Piri



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
Do you have to be British to work for Shane?

No, desperate will suffice.
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Romonofu-kun



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked at Shane for just over a year. While it wasn't the greatest experience of my life I had much less to complain about than my friends at Nova. The management was generally helpful and the way I ran my classes was largely up to me. That being said, having to work on your day off for fee is almost insulting. I won't go so far as to condemn or praise the company; I'll just say that it was a fair entry-level job.

Although you don't have to be British I don't remember seeing any Americans there. Everyone I met was Commonwealth.
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mushroomyakuza



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The overtime is not unpaid. There's a lot of false info floating around on these boards.

I think people here (on these boards) just live to complain, generally.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piri-Piri wrote:
Sweetsee wrote:
Do you have to be British to work for Shane?

No, desperate will suffice.


O.K., then. Do you have to be desperately British to work for Shane, or just desperate to be British?

NCTBA
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Piri-Piri



Joined: 23 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mushroomyakuza wrote:
The overtime is not unpaid.


Article 37 (1) In the event that an employer extends the working hours or has a worker work on a day off pursuant to the provisions of Article 33 or paragraph (1) of the preceding Article, the employer shall pay increased wages for work during such hours or on such days at a rate no less than the rate stipulated by cabinet order within the range of no less than 25 percent and no more than 50 percent over the normal wage per working hour or working day.
- Labor Standards Act (Act No. 49 of April 7, 1947) http://www.japaneselawtranslation.go.jp/?re=02

You are not working "overtime". Every day other than your single weekly "no cover day" is considered to be a normal working day.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's with the new 6 day work week? Why is that the new normal?
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bluetortilla



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote:
Piri-Piri wrote:
Sweetsee wrote:
Do you have to be British to work for Shane?

No, desperate will suffice.


O.K., then. Do you have to be desperately British to work for Shane, or just desperate to be British?

NCTBA


Even the pretense of teaching 'British English' when people all over the world speak all sorts of English is boorish elitism that smacks of the Raj.
Gives us people of the non-commonwealth world a taste of what a hooligan might be like.
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Okonomiyaki



Joined: 17 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The number of contact hours (classroom hours) per day is a bit high, but I consider that the defining characteristic that makes chain schools profitable. Nova was infamous for its 8 hours of contact per day.

I'm surprised to hear that teachers at Shane are left to create their own lesson plans. In a small school, sure-- we all know that students are loyal to the teacher, not to the school, and therefore the teacher's lesson plans should be tailored to that teacher's special skills. Compare that to Nova's practice of using lesson plans-- and teachers and even set response menus-- that were so generic that any teacher could fill in seamlessly for any other. I would have thought that all large chains would make their staff and lesson plans modular, replaceable, generic.

What about Shane's teacher attrition rate? Nova's was famously 6 months: despite using a one-year contract and having many 2-year teachers, Nova was so unattractive to teachers that the average employee quit after only 6 months. What's Shane's rate?

When are those vacations? One of the worst points of working for small non-chain schools was that their vacation schedules were inevitably coincidental with the three major Japanese holidays (O-bon in August, Golden Week in May/June, and New Years'), so we couldn't vacation when it was cheap-- only when hotels and airports were filled with every other member of Japanese society. I always imagined that at a big chain, vacations could perhaps be taken outside of the lemming-rush seasons...?
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okonomiyaki wrote:

What about Shane's teacher attrition rate? Nova's was famously 6 months: despite using a one-year contract and having many 2-year teachers, Nova was so unattractive to teachers that the average employee quit after only 6 months.


This sounds like an urban myth. How was it calculated exactly?
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misoji_blue



Joined: 13 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I currently work for Westgate and find that I don't have enough time or resources at my school to plan my lessons during working hours. About 2-3 times a week I end up planning at home in the evenings after work.

Is it like this at Shane? Or do you get enough time to plan during your actual work day? Basically all I want now is a job that I can (almost) forget about when I leave for the day.

Cheers.
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shane was one of the worst places I've ever worked in Japan. It was comparable with NOVA. Foreign instructors who were in H.R. and "management" positions were terrible also. No concern for the people in the trenches.

The materials were terrible but I never had issues with time for preparing lessons.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okonomiyaki wrote:
The number of contact hours (classroom hours) per day is a bit high, but I consider that the defining characteristic that makes chain schools profitable. Nova was infamous for its 8 hours of contact per day.

I'm surprised to hear that teachers at Shane are left to create their own lesson plans. In a small school, sure-- we all know that students are loyal to the teacher, not to the school, and therefore the teacher's lesson plans should be tailored to that teacher's special skills. Compare that to Nova's practice of using lesson plans-- and teachers and even set response menus-- that were so generic that any teacher could fill in seamlessly for any other. I would have thought that all large chains would make their staff and lesson plans modular, replaceable, generic.

What about Shane's teacher attrition rate? Nova's was famously 6 months: despite using a one-year contract and having many 2-year teachers, Nova was so unattractive to teachers that the average employee quit after only 6 months. What's Shane's rate?

When are those vacations? One of the worst points of working for small non-chain schools was that their vacation schedules were inevitably coincidental with the three major Japanese holidays (O-bon in August, Golden Week in May/June, and New Years'), so we couldn't vacation when it was cheap-- only when hotels and airports were filled with every other member of Japanese society. I always imagined that at a big chain, vacations could perhaps be taken outside of the lemming-rush seasons...?


I work for Seiha we get 4 days for Obon, and 5 days for New Years. We earn our Obon too, lots of "special summer classes" so it's not free. No golden week, and NO national holidays. So count your blessings.
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

misoji_blue wrote:
I currently work for Westgate and find that I don't have enough time or resources at my school to plan my lessons during working hours. About 2-3 times a week I end up planning at home in the evenings after work.

Is it like this at Shane? Or do you get enough time to plan during your actual work day? Basically all I want now is a job that I can (almost) forget about when I leave for the day.

Cheers.


I worked for Westgate also and that's how I got my current job.

Westgate is full on compared to what I'm doing now, for double the salary.

Put your time in, get to know your Chair and other colleagues and make the move to a permanent position at your school. It happens and it happens often.

Good luck.
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