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Retirement ideas for those of us in the EFL profession
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Enchilada Potosina



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the only secure option is to just keep teaching until you drop dead.
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Isla Guapa



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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am planning to continue my translating work till I can no longer put fingers to the keyboard and produce a document that passes muster with my clients. Teaching till I drop, I don't think so! Rolling Eyes
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregd75 wrote:
Its no different in the case of EFL.

As for the comment concerning language schools that don't pay on time. Theres a simple solution. QUIT.


Better yet, avoid said schools (I mean all language schools) like the plague (or swine flu) Razz
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enchilada Potosina wrote:
About the only secure option is to just keep teaching until you drop dead.


I actually met a Gringo who had to do just that.

He was in his 80's. And he had come to Mexico back in the...50's and fell in love with a Mexican girl. Long story short, he stayed in Mexico and renounced his US citizenship so he could become a Mexican.

Nowadays (if he's still alive) he teaches biz English classes just so he can eat. No retirement, no pension.

Sorry I don't have anymore details, sadly I only met him once.
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Professor



Joined: 22 May 2009
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
Enchilada Potosina wrote:
About the only secure option is to just keep teaching until you drop dead.


I actually met a Gringo who had to do just that.

He was in his 80's. And he had come to Mexico back in the...50's and fell in love with a Mexican girl. Long story short, he stayed in Mexico and renounced his US citizenship so he could become a Mexican.

Nowadays (if he's still alive) he teaches biz English classes just so he can eat. No retirement, no pension.


That's REALLY SAD. Must be his fault according to some here. Mexico seems to have people running to her defense constantly. I guess this could be an example of what CAN happen if one stays their entire life in Mexico in the EFL profession.
Bottom line...it seems like teaching ONLY is NOT ENOUGH to have a retirement. Remember this when you come here newbies.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mexico seems to have people running to her defense constantly.


No surprise there...she's a fine lady that treats people well and deserves to be treated well herself.
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Isla Guapa



Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
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Mexico seems to have people running to her defense constantly.


No surprise there...she's a fine lady that treats people well and deserves to be treated well herself.


Oh, Guy, should we tell the truth and admit that all of us who rush to the defense of Mexico's good name are being paid by the Mexican government to do so? Wink
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TeresaLopez



Joined: 18 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isla Guapa wrote:

Oh, Guy, should we tell the truth and admit that all of us who rush to the defense of Mexico's good name are being paid by the Mexican government to do so? Wink


Yeah, I think that is the only possible explanation, what else could it possibly be.
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gregd75



Joined: 14 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just find it so sad that there is such negativity. If you plan to be a teacher and then stick at being a teacher, doing the same thing year in - year out for your career, then of course there is no money (same with any other career)

Pot washers become bus boys become waiters become cashiers become assistant manager become manager become owner of their own restaurant.

Professional development is what you need! Keep learning, keep studying, reflect upon your classes. Propose workshops, attend talks.

Teacher training is very rewarding and pays better than teaching EFL students. With several years of experience under ones belt, there are plenty of opportunities for those who wish to ENGAGE in the EFL career. I know of several freelance presenters who make good money.

There is Peru TESOL- if you submit two workshop ideas and they are accepted, then they pay for your hotel, food and entrance to the international conference. All you do is pay your flights. Now, thats not bad, is it?

There is no other career where you stick at doing exactly the same as what you did and yet expect to be highly rewarded for doing so.

Come on! Join in, participate and make a difference! With all your experience, surely there are people interested in hearing what you have to say
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gregd75



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, of course... QUIT. Noone is holding a gun to your head and making you teach EFL.

I don't get it. If you don't like your job then stop doing it.

Don't you think your students can sense your negativity? Sure they can
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MotherF



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregd75 wrote:
Or, of course... QUIT. Noone is holding a gun to your head and making you teach EFL.

I don't get it. If you don't like your job then stop doing it.

Don't you think your students can sense your negativity? Sure they can


That's what I think. Take control of your life.
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Prof Gringo" wrote:
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Enchilada Potosina wrote:
About the only secure option is to just keep teaching until you drop dead.


I actually met a Gringo who had to do just that.

He was in his 80's. And he had come to Mexico back in the...50's and fell in love with a Mexican girl. Long story short, he stayed in Mexico and renounced his US citizenship so he could become a Mexican.

Nowadays (if he's still alive) he teaches biz English classes just so he can eat. No retirement, no pension.



"Professor" wrote:
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That's REALLY SAD. Must be his fault according to some here. Mexico seems to have people running to her defense constantly. I guess this could be an example of what CAN happen if one stays their entire life in Mexico in the EFL profession.
Bottom line...it seems like teaching ONLY is NOT ENOUGH to have a retirement. Remember this when you come here newbies.


The gringo naturalized and worked here for nearly 60 (?) years, yet had no pension? If so, it was definitely his own fault. Mexico absolutely has retirement (and other) benefits. If he was working and legitimately paying his taxes, then like anyone else entitled to receive pension benefits, he would be receiving his monthly check once he reached the magic age. Seems obvious he was skirting the system, yet complains about the country doing HIM wrong??? Seems to be a lot of that going around.
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the peanut gallery



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starting a small business, even one with no overhead, is not risk free if you are depending on said business for your retirement. If it fails you are not out any money but neither are you eating.

I agree with most on this thread re professional development. If you have 30 years of Mexico in front of you i'd say it would be wise to take responsibility for your own life.

I made good money during my time in Mexico, but i had to leave the ESL field to do so. I am sure that there are many ESL success stories as well though.
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geaaronson



Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

f you plan to be a teacher and then stick at being a teacher, doing the same thing year in - year out for your career, then of course there is no money (same with any other career) Quote from another poster

Hunh-don`t understand this at all. Why shouldn`t there be any money? Most teachers save money, albeit not the kind of money to be rich and buy that 38 foot yacht at the age of 65.
All career positions pay money, so the end of your sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

Gregd75 You`re the one sounding negative now, telling the poster to get out of the business.

There is nothing wrong with being concerned about one`s finances. We are all concerned about that and take it into consideration. To so blatantly discount the alternatives such as to adopting a better savings plan, increasing one`s income, or cutting personal expenses is insensitive as you write

Or, of course... QUIT. Noone is holding a gun to your head and making you teach EFL. gregd75

I would hope that you don`t take this cavalier attitude towards your students. Do you say to them.....Oh of course, STOP STUDYING? No one is forcing you to pass this course. See if I care if you learn my language or not.
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gregd75



Joined: 14 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. If you read all the posts then you will notice that I have already covered the point concerning staying in the same position and managing to save for a future. No need to repeat myself.

2. Students don't complain about their situation. My point is that noone is holding a gun to a teachers head. Noone is FORCING teachers to teach, so I don't understand why people then complain about the field that they CHOSE to work in. (Unless of course, they came here, decided that they wanted to stay and THEN became teachers)

3. My whole point in these postings is that we, as teachers hold a very powerful and influential position. We influence our students and our students on a daily basis. If we are not happy in our job- for whatever reason- then our influence becomes negative. This is really bad for the students and it can't be fun for anyone who doesn't enjoy their job.

You've got to love what you do.
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