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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sara, many foreigners, living all across Mexico, keep up-to-date blogs about their daily lives. It's a great idea. I can send you a few links, with all those they each link to. It might help you and your family feel more comfortable with your decision to move here.
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TeresaLopez



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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the peanut gallery wrote:

Mexico, despite its problems, is wonderful. There is nowhere i'd rather live. Accepting the negatives of life there is compulsory to be happy. Ignoring or sugar coating them is naive.


Yes, I agree with you there. I think what I, and a few other posters, take exception to, are the comments from some that state things that are NOT true as fact, and basically saying there is not a single positive thing about Mexico. Yes, of course there are problems, but then where aren't there problems? But to make huge sweeping statements such as there are no pensions, no education, etc, simply aren't true, but there will be people that read them and believe them. And, of course, I think most people base their perception of crime of their personal experience, if they feel safe where they live, and where they go.
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the peanut gallery



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've sent you a pm Sara.
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ClaudeRains



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Below is the link to an article about Hillary Clinton comparing Mexico's cartel problem to Colombia's 20 years ago.


http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_84ee5175-d4b7-516e-b936-43a40dd340b5.html
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and her employer contradicting her the next day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11256477
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Professor



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One would have to be blind to think that Mexico has complete control of its country. It IS like Columbia. What does this have to do with teaching in Mexico??
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the peanut gallery



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The elephant in the room that no American policy maker will admit, is theirs is a junkie nation. American consumption (#1 in the world) of illicit drugs is the root cause of this issue. 90% of guns used in Mexico originate in the USA. But somehow this is Mexico's problem? The Mexican official in the BBC article has it spot on.

In my next life Mexico will shine as a nation because it will share borders with Canada and Norway! Smile
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ClaudeRains



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good news we're all missing is that, if Mexico is getting to be like Colombia 20 years ago, Colombia is a now a lot like Mexico 30 years back. Let's all go to Colombia! Beautiful landscapes, great food, gorgeous women, and the rumor is they speak better Spanish!

And, Guy, give it a break! Such vigilance! This 24/7 hunt for anything on Dave's that will discourage eager new ESL teachers from coming down for your Tefl course in Mexico must keep the neighbors awake nights...

Why can't we all just get along in Cali? Do they have umbrella drinks there?
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClaudeRains wrote:
The good news we're all missing is that, if Mexico is getting to be like Colombia 20 years ago, Colombia is a now a lot like Mexico 30 years back. Let's all go to Colombia! Beautiful landscapes, great food, gorgeous women, and the rumor is they speak better Spanish!

And, Guy, give it a break! Such vigilance! This 24/7 hunt for anything on Dave's that will discourage eager new ESL teachers from coming down for your Tefl course in Mexico must keep the neighbors awake nights...

Why can't we all just get along in Cali? Do they have umbrella drinks there?


Colombia is actually on my "to visit" list.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And, Guy, give it a break! Such vigilance! This 24/7 hunt for anything on Dave's that will discourage eager new ESL teachers from coming down for your Tefl course in Mexico must keep the neighbors awake nights...


Oh please.

It's funny how Clinton and Obama comment the same way we are here. Divided.

The one thing missing in Mexico that Colombia had and still has is the political angle that FARC does. There isn't a mixing of cartel and a political ideology.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
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And, Guy, give it a break! Such vigilance! This 24/7 hunt for anything on Dave's that will discourage eager new ESL teachers from coming down for your Tefl course in Mexico must keep the neighbors awake nights...


Oh please.

It's funny how Clinton and Obama comment the same way we are here. Divided.

The one thing missing in Mexico that Colombia had and still has is the political angle that FARC does. There isn't a mixing of cartel and a political ideology.


Not yet...

And just think about those 3 mayors that were killed.

The Mexican cartels are still functioning as businesses. But they are obviously "branching" out. Trying to "diversify" their "portfolio".

BTW Sec. of State Clinton was spot-on. I bet Barack got a phone call from Felipe Rolling Eyes
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I bet Barack got a phone call from Felipe


No doubt there.

Cartels have worked through corruption for a long time in Mexico. Those mayors wouldn't play ball but there are plenty of others up north that will. Cops too. However, you won't see them organizing as a single political force like FARC or even ELN anytime soon.

One of the first Mexican movies I'd seen arriving here 10 years ago was La Ley de Herodes and while not specifically about cartel, it was brilliant satire on corruption in politics, against the PRI specifically.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0221344/
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:55 pm    Post subject: Cartels Reply with quote

The Mexican drug cartels are run like multi-national corporations cause that's what they have become.

Just as when the Big Three in the US failed to innovate and change and foreign companies stepped in to fill the gaps, the same has happened as the Colombian cartels have seen their fortunes suffer.

The Mexican government was never prepared to wage a long-term campaign against mutilple drug cartels by land, sea and air.

Mexico should undertake a serious and major reform of it's police forces. Both Peru and Colombia have national police forces with para-military capabilities (Spec-Ops, armored vehicles, light artiliary, heavy infantry weapons, helos etc).

Mexico on the other hand has a hodgepodge of local, state and federal agencies with often conflicting jurisdictions, roles, and interests. Not to mention widely varying standards of recruitment, training and equipment.

Mexican officers fired for corruption, illegal/immoral acts etc are often able to find employment in another police agency in Mexico.

Of course that's why the Mexican military has been given such a major role in the drug war. And among the military, only the Navy is considered to have the training, equipment, morale, leadership and lack of corruption to take on the most important and sensitive missions and tasks. I mean, only the Navy has SAM's. Mexico's Army doesn't even have AA weapons.

And why Mexico even has an Airforce is beyond me. It's fighters are 10 F-5's stationed in 2 squadrons, one near DF and the other near Tapachula, Chiapas. Sure they look cool on Independence Day, but 40 year old fighter jets aren't really useful against insurgents..ahem... I meant cartels. Maybe some ground attack helicopters?

And what's the point of capturing cartel members if they are able to escape prison?
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gregd75



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And why Mexico even has an Airforce is beyond me


The Mexican airforce actually does a lot of work combatting drug trafficking. They work hand in hand with the PGR and the US air force.

I have had a couple of air force students. One showed me pics on his cell phone of when he was chasing a cessna- it was PACKED, and I mean PACKED full of drugs.. You could see the blocks of drugs forced up against the windows. The airforce work from Guatemala all the way up to the US/Mexico border where they fly with an American counterpart. They track planes in Mexico and pursue them. Once the plane crosses the US border, the US pilot takes over and continues the chase.

They say that every SINGLE NIGHT the drug traffickers send up about 15 small planes packed full of drugs, with the hope that the majority will cross.

The airforce prioritize- 1. the aircraft, 2. the drugs, 3. the pilot. They wait till the plane they are chasing runs out of fuel and has to land. They land behind the plane and seize the drugs.

I think the airforce is doing an exceptionally good job, considering that if the USA actually did something about their drug addiction problem, then there wouldn't be even half as many problems in this great country.
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Isla Guapa



Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg, thanks for the informative post. It's good to know that some of my taxes are doing something to combat the evil-doers.
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