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veiledsentiments
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When I was reading Saharastars entry, I felt like I was reading something written by an Arabic speaker. One who knew the language well, but still had the transfer error from Arabic... where a comma splice is 100% correct.
But back to what s/he said about the DELTA. I agree that it is a much more practical course. In a perfect world we would all have a CELTA, DELTA, and an MA in Linguistics (both applied and theoretical).
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mccainjohn96
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| Yep. Very practical. After you get your BA in Basket Weaving you can study for a DELTA at night school while working at the Quicky Mart. All you have to learn is how to form students into small groups so they can BS about God knows what while you walk around with a clipboard looking important. Then you can get the big bucks at the HCT, while the poor schmucks who majored in English and sweated blood over an MA in ESL cry in their beer. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Dear mccainjohn96,
"Ok, I'll explain it to you. The object of "repeat," i.e., the subordinate clause "whatever you did," immediately precedes our adverbial clause. Hence, a comma is required to make it clear that our adverbial clause modifies the remote verb phrase "to rinse and repeat," rather than the nearby verb "did.""
Well, I don't know about my students, but I know I'm not ready for "that rule."
I don't see any possibility of misinterpretation if the comma is removed.
"Well, you need to rinse and repeat whatever you did because you still don't know what a comma splice is."
Moreover, I don't see why the adverb clause shouldn't modify the noun clause "whatever you did."
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mccainjohn96
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| johnslat wrote: |
| Well, I don't know about my students, but I know I'm not ready for "that rule." |
You're right. You're not ready. It's not a matter of interpretation, but of ease of reading. The adverbial phrase in question could not possibly modify "did."
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| mccainjohn96 wrote: |
| Then you can get the big bucks at the HCT, while the poor schmucks who majored in English and sweated blood over an MA in ESL cry in their beer. |
Why would they do that? I know dozens of teachers - past and present - who have used their MAs in TESL/TEFL and were at the top of their pay scale.
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mccainjohn96
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
HCT might say "MA" (as they pursue the never-to-be-awarded accreditation), but there's absolute love in their eyes when at DELTA is mentioned.
It's really, secretly the ONLY piece of paper that PROVES that you can teach...all others are merely toilet paper unfit for their fine derrieres...
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Because of that there. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| mccainjohn96 wrote: |
| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
HCT might say "MA" (as they pursue the never-to-be-awarded accreditation), but there's absolute love in their eyes when at DELTA is mentioned.
It's really, secretly the ONLY piece of paper that PROVES that you can teach...all others are merely toilet paper unfit for their fine derrieres...
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Because of that there. |
Hey! No fair in quoting me out of context...jes' as trap dd on the other thread, I wuz COMPLETELY tongue-in-cheek. I wuz referring to the duplicity of most HCT managers/interviewing personnel. It's akin to what the Japanese refer to as honne and tatemai. Honne roughly being the heart-felt truth and tatemai meaning "lip service".
HCT tatemai= We require an MA in TESOL or Linguistics + 3 years teaching experience.
HCT honne= "So, I see that you have a DELTA..." (whilst lovingly looking you in the eyes...)
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mccainjohn96
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| Yet again we see our Heroic Homer rise to the defense of our PETAL. But Homer, thy tongue telleth thy cheek a great truth, and thy cynicism is justified in every context whilst thou dost labor in the salt mines of HCT: Yea, even as thou dost garner the large bucks for thy diploma in Education and thy meager knowledge of grammar. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| mccainjohn96 wrote: |
| ...whilst thou dost labor in the salt mines of HCT. |
Ahhh! My favourite quote as I slowly rise from my desk, unhooking my 'puter from its docking station...shoving it into my bag, bracing myself for the howling that constantly echoes in the harrowing halls of prostitution...
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Then you can get the big bucks at the HCT, while the poor schmucks who majored in English and sweated blood over an MA in ESL cry in their beer. |
What in god's name is your problem?
If you think a DELTA is a better choice for a lucrative teaching career, go ahead and do a DELTA. After all, as you seem to think, any idiot can do it and it only takes two months. And quite aside that nobody owes you a job no matter how highly qualified you like to think you are, in my experience most Gulf employers rate an MA in TESOL/Applied Linguistics far higher than a DELTA. |
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johnslat
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Dear mccainjohn86,
"It's not a matter of interpretation, but of ease of reading."
And yet, my "ease of reading" is in no way affected when the comma is removed (and, as the reader, I suppose I should be considered the best judge of that.)
However, I can see how the comma might aid a somewhat challenged reader.
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mccainjohn96
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
"Note that knowledge of TWO foreign languages is required:"
...are...
As is mastery of auxiliary verbs...
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Discredited yourself? Ya mean like that there?
Like I said, I gave you a pass for years as long as you stuck to the funny stuff, which I recommend you continue doing. Good stuff. But if you want to call me out on grammar you are gonna have to draw quicker than than.
Dear John,
I made sure to insert a comma before "which" above--for your reading pleasure.
Dear Cleo,
My problem? Nothing better to do than to note the deficiencies of my erstwhile colleagues whilst my name lingers, for no apparent reason, on the Saudi embassy blacklist--which you smugly claim does not exist. Sorry to rock the boat of your mutual admiration society. |
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johnslat
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Dear mccainjohn96,
Regarding the existence of a blacklist in Saudi, I don't know whether there is one or not.
If there is, though, I have no trouble understanding why you would be on it.
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mccainjohn96
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Ha. Knew that was coming. Good one. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| mccainjohn96 wrote: |
Like I said, I gave you a pass for years as long as you stuck to the funny stuff... |
No favours, please...
Discrediting me is difficult...as it is clear that I've never given myself credit...
Folks take me with a grain of salt...or not...
That being said, it is not I who finds himself with a target being constantly self-drawn upon him...
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