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Eikaiwa industry figures published by METI

 
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:38 pm    Post subject: Eikaiwa industry figures published by METI Reply with quote

I don't think I've seen this document mentioned on the forum before. It's an Excel spreadsheet published by the Ministry for Economy, Trade and Industry with statistics about the eikaiwa industry. It contains monthly figures for revenue, number of teachers, number of schools and so on.

http://www.meti.go.jp/statistics/tyo/tokusabido/result/result_1/xls/hv15603j.xls

This graph summarises the statistics most likely to be of interest to this forum (sorry, but I can't embed the image directly, so you'll have to click on the link):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/oimg?key=0App-sh23KqGodEpJTExEREZQSXdZTGVlTGpvMVJOTVE&oid=17&zx=dkfkps1mm8kh

The green line is an aggregate of the other data. It's the 12-month moving average of revenue divided by the 12-month moving average of teacher numbers, where a part-time teacher is counted as half of a full time teacher.

The figures tell the story of Nova's bankruptcy. When Nova folds, in 2007, the number of teachers plummets and much of the seasonal volatility in revenue vanishes. There is some loss in revenue, but the average revenue per teacher rises.

The other story is that of a slow post-Nova decline, but please note that the revenue figures are not adjusted for deflation.

Can anyone explain the jump in part-time teacher numbers in January 2006?

CLARIFICATION I made the graph, using Google spreadsheets and the data from the spreadsheet.


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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Eikaiwa industry figures published by METI Reply with quote

Pitarou wrote:
There is some loss in revenue, but the average revenue per teacher rises.
Look more carefully. The trend downward is pretty clear.

Moreover, that green line for average teacher salaries... it's in terms of 100s, so it goes from 100 x 11,000 down to 100 x 9,000:
1,100,000 to 900,000 yen !!!!!?????
Who made that much per year or (more likely) per month? A further description is in order.

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Can anyone explain the jump in part-time teacher numbers in January 2006?
I would be more interested in knowing how anyone got such figures. How would they know who is PT or not? Is that only PT hours, or did that count people who had FT work plus PT?

What is the main link to this information?
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: Eikaiwa industry figures published by METI Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Pitarou wrote:
There is some loss in revenue, but the average revenue per teacher rises.
Look more carefully. The trend downward is pretty clear.


I was referring to the sudden rise in revenue per teacher after Nova's collapse. As you say, longer term trend is downwards, because the decline in teacher numbers hasn't kept pace with the decline in revenues, but I'm reluctant to read too much into that trend until inflation / deflation has been factored in.

Glenski wrote:
Moreover, that green line for average teacher salaries... it's in terms of 100s, so it goes from 100 x 11,000 down to 100 x 9,000:
1,100,000 to 900,000 yen !!!!!?????
Who made that much per year or (more likely) per month? A further description is in order.


All figures are monthly.

The figures are revenue, not salary. I've never asked how much my employer earns from me, but I know it's a lot more than I get! That's normal. An accountant tells me that, as a rule of thumb, 1/3rd of revenues are paid out as salaries in the service sector. When you add in the wages for the non-teaching staff, that figure looks about right.

Glenski wrote:
What is the main link to this information?


I've already posted the link to the spreadsheet on the METI website.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monthly revenue figures? So, on an average each eikaiwa brings in 1 million yen per month? I would really like to see a breakdown on that.

Yes, you posted a link to the Excel data, but where did you get that graph? I would think it would have come with some additional text to describe it. Was there another more "homepage-like" link?
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Yes, you posted a link to the Excel data, but where did you get that graph?


If you have a problem with the chart make your own. It takes about 10 minutes. Log into spreadsheets.google.com (an on-line Excel-like application provided by Google), upload the data, generate a chart and publish it.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski, Pitarou made the graph. Much like you, i had assumed the graph was something s/he had found the 'Net. Now we've learned about another tool to display information. We learn something new every day
Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TokyoLiz is right, Pitarou. I thought the graph came from METI somehow. Sorry for the confusion.
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've added a note of clarification to the original post.

To reiterate, the green line shows monthly revenue per teacher calculated from 12 month moving averages. I used the 12 month moving average of revenue to smooth out the seasonal fluctuations. I used the 12 month moving average of teacher numbers so that we are dividing like by like.

I hope that's clear.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pitarou wrote:
I've added a note of clarification to the original post.

To reiterate, the green line shows monthly revenue per teacher calculated from 12 month moving averages. I used the 12 month moving average of revenue to smooth out the seasonal fluctuations. I used the 12 month moving average of teacher numbers so that we are dividing like by like.

I hope that's clear.
Well, it's not clear to me. What the heck is "moving average"?

Also, if green shows what you say, then teachers are making an average of 10,000 x 100 (your legend plus the y-axis units) = 1,000,000 yen per month (four times what it should be).

What gives?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Also, if green shows what you say, then teachers are making an average of 10,000 x 100 (your legend plus the y-axis units) = 1,000,000 yen per month (four times what it should be).


I believe he meant that the green line shows the employer's revenue per teacher, not how much the teacher is paid. That is, how much the company rakes in per month divided by how many teachers they employ.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that's so, rtm, then I don't see the point in METI even collecting such info because one school might have a dozen teachers, while another school might have only one. The per-teacher revenue would be too broad to mean anything in an average.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rtm wrote
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I believe he meant that the green line shows the employer's revenue per teacher, not how much the teacher is paid.


Ok.
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That is, how much the company rakes in per month divided by how many teachers they employ.


Are you sure that is what Pitarou meant? I just read down the thread, and it seems that there may be some confusion here.

Pitarou, could you please clarify whether you mean that Y1,000,000 is the average gross of each company divided by the number of teacher employees, or if it is the annual gross based on the contract of one teacher employee?

You said before that
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To reiterate, the green line shows monthly revenue per teacher calculated from 12 month moving averages.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With just a rough look, it appears to be the former.

Again, I don't think you can do that and make certain statements.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The yellow line is the pie. Every time someone opens their wallet at an eikaiwa and the METI gets to hear of it, they add to the pie for that month.

The red and blue lines tell you how many teachers the METI is aware of who are in line for a share of that month's pie. I assume that full-time teachers get a full slice, and part-time teachers get half-a-slice. The green line tells you how big that slice is.

Of course, the teachers don't keep the full slice: some of it goes to the school receptionist; some of it goes to the landlord; some of it goes to management; some of it goes on marketing; some if it is spent on (gasp!) training and materials and so on. They probably see only 1/4 to 1/3 of the pie in their pay packet. Nonetheless, all things being equal, as that slice shrinks life gets harder for the humble eikaiwa drone.

You may have noticed that, before Nova's collapse, the yellow pie shrunk and grew like an accordion. You may also be wondering why the green slice didn't do the same. The answer is that when I wave my magic statistical wand and cast a spell called 12 Month Moving Average the seasonal fluctuations evaporate and the green line becomes nice and smooth.

I've now spent about 10 times longer explaining the graph than I did making it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, I'll sign up for an MBA course tonight to develop an explanation of your explanation. Laughing
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