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Sashadroogie
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| It's the comments about certification and lesson observation that are strange - if you care to read back a few pages. The difference is the posters who made them were probably serious... |
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Isla Guapa
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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No, of course not, Sasha. I'm saying that in the US the proper term is "cover letter", while it is "covering letter" where you come from. Why would you reject a job application just because the applicant refers to it in the former way? Sounds rather petty to me. If I had been the one applying for a job at your school and you had dismissed me out of hand because of a missing "-ing", you would have missed out on a chance to hire a super-duper teacher  ! |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Dear oh dear. I can see that 'covering letter' may not be known in the States, but surely satire and ridicule are? OK, I'll spell it out. Other posts on this thread express the beliefs that:
- certification is unimportant when hiring new teachers
- anyone can learn how to teach just by browsing the Internet
- any non-teacher can learn how to observe lessons, by using common sense ( and the Internet again).
- the CELTA or DELTA have no teaching value or purpose other than inflating the holders' egos.
Hence my equally ridiculous (and totally untrue) contribution about my hiring practices, based on a preposterous whim of mine. Petty, yes, certainly. Unfounded too. But any different from the above gems? |
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artemisia
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds rather petty to me. If I had been the one applying for a job at your school and you had dismissed me out of hand because of a missing "-ing", you would have missed out on a chance to hire a super-duper teacher ! |
I'm truly misinterpreting posters' intentions all over the place today. I thought you were about to post "...and you had dismissed me out of hand because of a missing '-ing', I'd have given you a good thumping".
Re: some earlier comments in this thread - no, teaching English may not be rocket science but it's a good deal more skilled than it's often given credit for (even by EFL teachers it would seem). I don't spend much time thinking about some of my earlier lessons but occasionally something will remind me and I'll wince a bit. Not because (or so I like to think) I was a rotten teacher back then but I now teach a good deal more effectively and have a lot of experience to fall back on. Being skilled applies just as much to observing classes and giving constructive feedback to teachers and not everyone does this well.
I don't know if anyone really likes being observed but you're more likely to get a better reaction from teachers if they know how well their observer teaches and have had the chance to observe him/ her first. I also teach another subject and with that and any other job I've ever done, I have never been so observed and given so much feedback as in ESOL jobs. Sometimes it's just tiresome and relates to the 'selling' part of the industry.
To the OP, you can't really go wrong with a CELTA but it is quite a big time/ money investment. If you're not on the spot and don't have a chance to meet the DOS etc, it will most likely get your foot in the door when applying from afar. |
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Isla Guapa
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
Dear oh dear. I can see that 'covering letter' may not be known in the States, but surely satire and ridicule are? OK, I'll spell it out. Other posts on this thread express the beliefs that:
- certification is unimportant when hiring new teachers
- anyone can learn how to teach just by browsing the Internet
- any non-teacher can learn how to observe lessons, by using common sense ( and the Internet again).
- the CELTA or DELTA have no teaching value or purpose other than inflating the holders' egos.
Hence my equally ridiculous (and totally untrue) contribution about my hiring practices, based on a preposterous whim of mine. Petty, yes, certainly. Unfounded too. But any different from the above gems? |
Oh dear, oh dear. I seem to have lost my sense of irony 
By the way, I'm completely on your side as regards the 4 beliefs you've spelled out above! |
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Isla Guapa
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds rather petty to me. If I had been the one applying for a job at your school and you had dismissed me out of hand because of a missing "-ing", you would have missed out on a chance to hire a super-duper teacher ! |
I'm truly misinterpreting posters' intentions all over the place today. I thought you were about to post "...and you had dismissed me out of hand because of a missing '-ing', I'd have given you a good thumping".
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The only kinds of thumpings I'm capable of giving are verbals ones. Is that what you had in mind? |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Probably the fault of my own writing style - not quite the sardonic impact of 'A Modest Proposal' I was aiming for. Ah, well... doesn't matter, you are hired! |
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Justin Trullinger
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Hey Sash- you need to get your satire writing sorted out, Swift-ly....
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Isla Guapa
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| Probably the fault of my own writing style - not quite the sardonic impact of 'A Modest Proposal' I was aiming for. Ah, well... doesn't matter, you are hired! |
When I make the move to Russia, you'll have first dibs on hiring me, promise  ! |
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SahanRiddhi
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| I've not read the whole thread, but let me to explain a bit from my own learnings and life situations. These qualifying certifiers are completely without need. To teach is a skill in the heart. It isn't well to be learned. CETLA and the others can not supply this. Much is available on Youtube but if it isn't already in your spirit, the videos won't help. Most importantly is being a native speech holder, Second is to have teaching in the heart. Also attitude and smiling. If employmnet institutions insist on certifications, Photoshop etc. can make them. Keep your money in your pocket and not toward ESL CETLA marketeers. Don't let your cash burn a hole through your trousers. Any more concerns, PM to me. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Most importantly is being a native speech holder |
I would have to agree. Being a holder of native speech is important. |
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Isla Guapa
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| Most importantly is being a native speech holder |
I would have to agree. Being a holder of native speech is important. |
And if you don't hold it tightly enough, it could slip through your fingers and disappear forever! |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| Ah now, c'mon SahanRiddhi, that piece of satire lacks subtlety totally... you won't be fooling anyone... |
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artemisia
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Never heard of 'em but they sound like a roguish bunch of cads. Especially if they go around burning people's pockets - that's just cruel & unpleasant. |
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Big Poppa Pump
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:16 am Post subject: |
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This thread hasn't hit page 10 yet? I need to try a little harder next time.
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