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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 1874 Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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The China Syndrome was a great movie, indeed, even Jack Lemmon was good. I was in Cambodia when he died and I raised a drink to thank God he had finally died because I was rather tired of him, among other luvvies, but of course, ten years on I feel a bit guilty about that... As for English, well, mine was never that good in the first place. That is why I taught in
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, yes, loads of touchy feely studies doing the rounds, yet most of them centre on children: not the case with EFL professionals. Other studies focus on migrants where their first language is no longer important. |
Perhaps you should go an re-read some of those studies. For someone who appears to be fairly ignorant on the subject, you are surprisingly dimissive of it. L1 attrition is a huge and very real problem, especially for refugee children, and yes also adult migrants. It�s not so easily dismissed when you see the devasting results it can.
As I understood it, the original question posed by the OP was �can teaching ESL cause or contribute to L1 attrition?�. My answer is, possibly, but probably not, it�s more likely to be affected by other factors. Your answer seems to be, �No, because it doesn�t exist�. Which is simply wrong.
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| Affectation. Make no bones about it, it's just attention-seeking |
The only affectation and attention-seeking I see here, is your determination to always play devil�s advocate. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Dear HLJHLJ,
If Sasha were truly the Devil's advocate, he certainly wouldn't be teaching EFL (and possibly having his L1 attritted - my neologism.)
The Devil pays far too well.
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Johnslat
I am the devil incarnate, mu haw haw haw!!!
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| While it is true I'm dismissive of the subject, it isn't fair to say I'm ignorant of it, however it may appear to newbies. I also know a lot about NLP, but despite all the 'studies' done for that, I still doubt the truth of it. I'm not a big fan of 'learning styles' either. And if you think all that is bad, you should see what I've posted even on this forum about dyslexia. That should have you foaming at the mouth even more! |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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It�s not so easily dismissed when you see the devasting results it can.
Sorry, devastating results it can what? |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Sasha,
The Devil, you say? Well, get my accommodations ready; I'll be down soon.
Regards,
Sinnerman John |
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bulgogiboy

Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 803
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I raised a drink to thank God he had finally died because I was rather tired of him. |
I think some people felt the same way about Bob Hope. Not me though, I loved him. |
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artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 875 Location: the world
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| The Devil pays far too well. |
I wonder if the Devil'd consider recruiting me. I'd like lots more of that lovely, luring, filthy lucre. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Dear artemisia,
Well, there is the little mater of signing over your immortal soul to eternal damnation. But heck - EFL is a great dress rehearsal for that anyway.
Regards,
John |
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artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 875 Location: the world
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:05 am Post subject: |
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My immortal soul has probably already been compromised - I'm feeling somewhat bedeviled by this thread.
Speaking of being bedeviled (and on to far more pressing matters than the fate of my soul) I don't understand my number of postings! I seem to be permanently fixed on '63' - I've checked back on a few of them - all 63. At this rate I'll never reach the utopian 100 gongs. This is just like 'Ground hog Day". |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| You're at 64 now. My evil can influence even Dave's post counter... sell your soul, and who knows what more could be yours..... |
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artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 875 Location: the world
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I can see after at least 5 posts at 63 I've finally made it to 64! But how long will I now stay on 64?
Has the curse been lifted?? |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Sell yer soul and see.... |
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bulgogiboy

Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 803
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Do you think it would be fair to say that threads on Dave's often tend to digress somewhat from the original topic of discussion?  |
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