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[drjtrekker]

OP, here is ur answer.
First, realize that a bunch of the peeps here are morons...dont listen to these losers...

Let me give u the only answer that matters...the existential one.
Life is too short too waste it being unhappy.

Not happy, move on!
In some cases its best to deal with the crap, i.e. the work experience and ur resume. But you can always change the latter.

Peace.
jd

[mozzar]

[mnguy29]

I work 20 classes a week, plus the evening duty two times a week for an hour or more which I was not told is extra and not included in the 20/week. There is also the extra-curricular events that we are expected to attend evenings. I am paid 5000rmb. Yes, two days off Fri. and Sat. I have to teach seven different classes and so all different lesson plans, tests, grading, etc. I have very little free time. They said they would make an effort to not schedule me on weekends and evenings. Didn't happen. Then there is the health insurance and the fact I have to pay 100rmb each month for my internet which is very unreliable. Simply put, they did not tell me certain things so that I would accept the job. Am I suppose to just be happy with this?? You must be kidding me, right?

[malu]

I think your job is crap. I wouldn't want to do it, indeed I wouldn't take any job with a salary so low.

However, the salary and hours of work are in line with your contract and you signed it. Internet access is crap in many places in China, and quite a few other Asian countries.

Hard to see where you have much of a case.

[kev7161]

If your contract states that you will teach up to 20 classes per week for 5000 rmb and you are working beyond that, then you have a case. Get a copy of your contract - - highlight the amount of work that is stated there vs the money promised to be paid and show them that.

If they promised you free internet in writing, then show them that too. BTW: if you pay for, say, 6 months of internet instead of one month at a time, the cost per month will be considerably lower, even more so (less so?) if you pay up a year at a time (but who thinks they are going to stick around for a year to use that pre-paid time?).

If there is no mention in your contract about insurance and you paying for it, then I'd just say, "no thanks, I'm a healthy guy - I don't need insurance". Put aside a small sum every month as savings toward a possible or eventual medical emergency.

You do have a few rights based on what is or is not in your contract - - keep in mind a VERY FEW rights however!

[shuanglu pijiu]

so 'making an effort' and '100% success in delivering everything you want' is synonymous to you? come on. i feel sorry for anyone you know.

you have less than zero case. plus you admit you haven't even tried to speak to them, but instead 'assume it will do no good.' are you joking? instead of even attempting to sit down with someone and talk about your issues like an actual professional over the age of 8, you would prefer to just sneak out of your job and leave people in the lurch? that's just sad.

you talk about degrees and experience, and imply you want to be respected for them, or treated like a viable, quality professional. maybe acting like one would be a step toward making that happen.

as far as being so upset about the failed 'efforts' to make your schedule more bearable, if you are so quick to get pissed about that, you obviously have no idea the complexity of the machinations that go into scheduling at these schools, and the real lack of breathing room the schedulers, department heads, etc often actually have when faced with mandates from completely disconnected, higher bureaucratic bodies. you don't know they didn't try. maybe they tried their hardest, and it didn't happen. maybe they didn't, who knows. but it was never promised to you, and it's not in your contract.

now admittedly the forced health insurance purchase sounds absurd, but to be honest, you sound like such a knee-jerk reactionary that i wouldn't be that shocked if it's some misunderstanding on your part. if not, well then so be it.

like many others said, suck it up, be a man, and finish what you promised. it never ceases to amaze me how people are so willing to skip out on and break contracts here that are not even being broken, just because they 'feel like it,' when they would never dream of such a thing in their own country.

all this says is that you don't respect the word of a contract in China. but then you expect others to not only follow it to a T, but to somehow adhere to things that aren't even in it?

if another school has half a brain they will see this immediately. it's like messing around with a girl who's cheating on her boyfriend with you. sure she's 'in love with you' but when she's already screwing over someone else, how can you believe she's not doing it to you?

or, go ahead and bail, and watch all of our salaries and level of actual respect continue to plummet, as you prove once again that we are nothing but flighty glorified child-tourists who basically should be looked at, and paid as such.

just what we all need.

[Mister Al]

I agree the OP is being a bit of a whinger here. His situation is not great but not exactly hell on earth either. He should sit down with whoever and try to iron out a few of the issues although I expect he'll explode at some point, say something he later regrets and end up in sh1t. But he should try anyway. Maybe they will ask him to leave quietly. Result.

Plan B.
Talk to potential employers. Make sure they know you have an RP that expires in.....xxx. Get an offer that you think is ok.

Get your next salary and leave them a note apologising profusely and saying something along the lines of you can't handle living in China anymore or sudden family death blah blah blah. Don't blame them for anything. Even better if you can buy an air ticket that will give you most of your money back when you cancel. Leave a copy of it with your note. Forget about the Release Letter or RP issue.

Start new job using with the same RP as before. The new school will not have an issue with this as they know already and the old school can't physically cancel your RP without your passport. They might, and I mean might, inform the PSB, who will do nothing except log the information locally.

Keep out of trouble.

Exit China before RP expires

Get a new visa to re-enter.

[johntpartee]

[Mister Al]

No, not first hand knowledge.

Fortunately, I've never been in the OP's position but I've been in the MK a wee while and got a rough idea of how parts of the system work. Of course, anything can happen here and plans can fall through but my plan B would be my plan B if I were in the OP's shoes.

[The Great Wall of Whiner]

My school pays 100 RMB an hour, up front at the end of every day. So, you work 4 hours, then they hand you 400 RMB in cash. The school deals with all the tax and everything.

They give you an apartment, furnished, and deal with your visa.

Anyone doing less than that is getting ripped off. I hate to be a broken record, but those are the cold, hard facts. Been here 6+ years and enjoying life.

I work 32 hours a week at that school (my choice). I also do part-time work at 6k a month and other things for an extra 1k. Do the math.

The other guy (not even finished high school) works 11 hours a week, get 4,400+ RMB a month.

not a bad deal.

Why you guys work for chump change and help rich people ger richer off of your own backs is beyond me. I have said this time and time again:

Count your students, find out the fees. Then see how much your boss is making from YOUR work.

[DixieCat]

[mozzar]

[quote="DixieCat"]

[mnguy29]

I know what the students pay for a year here at my school. There are about 60 students. When you do the math with the number of classes and hours of work expected, I am making about 60 rmb per class!! This is ridiculous! When I can go out on the street and tutor on my own for 120 to 200rmb per class!

[MisterButtkins]

[DixieCat]

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Were you happy with the salary before you found out about the others? If you signed the contract and were satisfied with it at the time then you�ve no right to expect better pay just because other schools are paying better.


It is not a crime to consider the market place and the going rate for a service and then seek the best rate.