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amudbc
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 Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: Nanjing on RMB4500-4800yuan |
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| Can i survive ok in Nanjing on RMB4500-4800yuan? I have some money saved from Korea so Im not too worried about saving, ideally Id be putting some away but do u think this is possible? |
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themanymoonsofjupiter
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| assuming this is the typical uni job, don't accept such a low offer. it doesn't matter whether you can 'survive' or not on this money--it's an insult. |
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amudbc
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| Don't know if Im in a position to cal the shots - short term contract of 8 months starting in November. What would u expect for a uni job? |
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daCabbie
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Considering that they are hiring you for a late start on the school year, you are in an excellent position to negotiate a better salary.
If they had been doing their job they would have had a teacher in the school by October first. So someone at the school made a mistake or a teacher didn't show up/pulled a runner. All of which are reasons to ask for a higher salary. They have shown their incompetence already, take advantage of it.
Not to mention, you have teaching experience. This time of year most of the experienced teachers are off they market.
The Jiangsu province is a wealthier province and Nanjing is the capital, so they can almost certainly pay you another 1000 or 1500 a month. If they cannot come up with more money then ask for a reduction in hours and work more private lessons. |
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creztor
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: |
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I can understand why people would say not to accept such low pay, but when the bulk of jobs are advertising rates like this, what does one do? By saying no you will have to go elsewhere, and where exactly else is there to go? I am talking about someone who is FOB and doesn't have any guanxi for better paid jobs. The bulk of the jobs seem to pay around the 5k mark, and I'd like to know where someone like the OP would go to get this better pay?
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: |
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1. Would you pay sticker price for a car back at home? What about a house?
2. Everything in China is negotiable. If people with real degrees and real experience start pulling their socks up, we would all collectively be much better off.
I make about 18+ a month, in total. In a small city. |
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flyingscotsman
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6000 is average for a uni in Jiangsu.
Don't be a scab... |
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DixieCat
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: |
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While I would recommend that higher wages are sought, a scab can only exist when there are standardized wages and union representation. This employment is a Free will employment and because of that, applicants owes nothing to any other job seeker or employee.
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I can understand why people would say not to accept such low pay, but when the bulk of jobs are advertising rates like this, what does one do? By saying no you will have to go elsewhere, and where exactly else is there to go? I am talking about someone who is FOB and doesn't have any guanxi for better paid jobs. The bulk of the jobs seem to pay around the 5k mark, and I'd like to know where someone like the OP would go to get this better pay? |
This is a very real condition that many on this board do not recognize. I would try and schedule all classes towards one part of the week and secure the permission of the school to work alternative gigs. |
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themanymoonsofjupiter
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| DixieCat wrote: |
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I can understand why people would say not to accept such low pay, but when the bulk of jobs are advertising rates like this, what does one do? By saying no you will have to go elsewhere, and where exactly else is there to go? I am talking about someone who is FOB and doesn't have any guanxi for better paid jobs. The bulk of the jobs seem to pay around the 5k mark, and I'd like to know where someone like the OP would go to get this better pay? |
This is a very real condition that many on this board do not recognize. I would try and schedule all classes towards one part of the week and secure the permission of the school to work alternative gigs. |
fair enough. the people who talk of making five digits per month, no matter how many times you see them on these boards, are still a relative rarity in the teaching world in china. i would still agree, though, that the OP probably should try to negotiate a bit higher than 4800 (and the school never pays the top end of quoted salary ranges anyway). as another said, the OP is in a good position, as it's mid-term and he has experience. i'm curious to find out what happens here. |
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7969
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:23 am Post subject: |
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the people claiming to earn RMB12000-18000 often don't mention they also work twice as many hours (or more) as people earning 5000. my uni salary is 7500/month but when i break it down to an hourly wage, i actually earn more than the people who earn 15000 but work a lot more. plus the lower paying uni jobs allow for more freedom to do other things (which is why many of us are here).
and while those 15000/month jobs exist the realities of job hunting mean that no newbie is going to land one of them because they aren't that plentiful and/or easy to find.
one can always request a higher salary when negotiating. the worst thing that can happen is they refuse, but more likely they'll make a counter offer which will still be an improvement. |
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DixieCat
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| themanymoonsofjupiter, just to clarify, the quote used in your post looks as if it is attributed to me and it is creztor who actually penned that response, but I do agree with you and 7969. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| the people who talk of making five digits per month, no matter how many times you see them on these boards, are still a relative rarity in the teaching world in china. |
Every foreigner in the town I am in makes minimum of 100 RMB an hour.
I make 18+ now, but yes, I do work for it.
I can find hundreds of jobs in China for well over 10k+ easily.
Google is your friend:
China teach 10000
If there is something preventing you from attaining that job, then you might as well take the 4000 RMB a month jobs. but I can tell you this:
The foreigners in my town except for me do not have university degrees.
one is a former American soldier, one is a college drop out, one is a former gas pump attendant, and another was a construction worker.
Do what you like, I'm getting really tired of reading about people working for chump change when the school makes 300,000 RMB a month, pay foreigners 4000 a month and says they can't afford 10k a month.
My Chinese assistant makes 6k a month!! more than most foreigners in China! |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| 7969 wrote: |
| the people claiming to earn RMB12000-18000 often don't mention they also work twice as many hours |
True, to a degree.
I work about 30 hours a week, give or take. Less than I would back at home, which is 40 hours a week.
Some are commanding 200 an hour here... at the moment it's 100 RMB an hour but we are all putting our heads together soon to bump it to 150 minimum. |
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dharma86
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| It's too low for that part of China... |
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stil
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| So to answer the OP's actual question .... Yes you can survive ok in Nanjing on 4500 - 4800 if housing is a part of the contract. |
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