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[floydrules]

Dear All,

I just wanted to start this up all over again, considering the fact that many of you are aware of almost all the colleges in KSA. Which college do you think is best, hassle free, pays well and on time, teachers are respected and students are well behaved?

(I know I�m asking too much, but let�s try)
PS � I�m referring to a women�s only college

[007]

[floydrules]

Thanks 007,

But what I meant was - contracts are honored properly (you get a proper pick up from the airport, a decent place to stay, etc etc), the salary gets credited into your account on time, the native(arabic) staff and managers are supportive and students are coming to college to learn and not only to eat, do makeup and then bug the teachers in last days for important questions I wasn�t eyeing for a plato implemented and yea I don�t dream of such things either

[Never Ceased To Be Amazed]

You're either looking for the WORST uni in the Kingdom of Utopia or something that might possibly exist in a desert region on another planet in a galaxy far, far away....

I don't think that any of the old-timers have the time of interest in explaining the psycho-social aspect of the Gulf region, but I'll give it a try. Yer talking about having a Western-oriented idea (forget model!) of education that took the West CENTURIES to develop and perfect coming from students and a native populace who:

-DIDN'T have forests from which they could make books to study and notepaper to write on, therefore developed a verbal-based methodology of communicating ideas using sticks to illustrate their thoughts in the sand. The little bit of wood that could be found in the desert was for firewood or building materials Why do you think that they can't stop talking and rather lose their hand than their mobile or be bothered to read or even bring a notebook to class?

-mostly slept during the heat of the day in tents (as there wasn't much to do) and thrived and travelled at night if they lived in the interior or fished or pearl-dived or traded if they lived on the coast.

-get done at the last possible moment when the last possible cup of tea has been consumed...

-have NO work ethic or pride in themselves as a people that comes from long-held national achievements such as nation-building...

-had commerce that consisted on scraping together what they could or marauding for what they couldn't...there was no industry to speak of.

-were not "colonized" by the various western European powers as they quickly realized that there was noting to profit from sand or people constantly bickering (communicating) with each other...

The only time that ANY part of this piece of nothingness became ANYTHING close to useful to ANY western power was after the advent of the airplane and the British realized that the lower rim of the P/A Gulf might (and it did!) serve as a place for a few airbases to secure lines of communication to colonies that DID show a profit, such as India and Malaysia. They secured truces with certain sheikhs for these few and far between refueling/refreshing stations and until the early 70's this area was still known as the Trucial States...

FINALLY oil was discovered in this area and money began to flow and infrastructure was developed, but the people were not permitted to progress. Western powers were/are portrayed as a necessary evil and tribal relations/ethos (wasta, majlis, etc...) was reinforced as a way of retaining a false identity. This has allowed cities to appear, industry to develop and transportation links to connect...but only by Western-educated locals or imported labor/brain-power...the vast majority still stay up to all hours of the night talking in their majlises during the evenings, having dinner around 10 p.m. and resenting their Western teachers/bosses who insist that they report to class/work at "ridiculously" early (8-9 a.m.) hours...

Now, EDUCATION! For decades, they brought (and still bring in) Arabic-speaking lackeys from countries that were made by or divvied up by the major European colonial powers, but guess what? Europe had so siphoned off from these peoples that they were near poverty themselves, but the paltry (by Western standards) salaries offered by this region were so fabulous to them as opposed to their domestic standards that they came in droves and stayed. When THEY realized that these folk refused/didn't have the incentive/really didn't want to change and that "change" would only jeopardize their highly-valued paychecks (that allowed them to do things like build their own homes back in their home countries of the MENA and to save for a retirement other than abject poverty), they adapted and underwhelmed by allowing students to come to class when the urge struck them, not assign huge amounts of homework (thereby...insanely...instilling the idea that "education" e.g. going over notes taken in class, ended when the last school bell rang), fashioning tests so that the weakest would pass and changing grades if that didn't work. The locals, on their end, believe that all knowledge comes from Allah and all, as brothers and sisters who have a right to the revelations of Allah have a right...nay...a duty for those who "get it" to share (in the West, "cheat") with others who don't. Inbreeding hasn't helped with the retention of knowledge...

This has been going on at the elementary and secondary educational level since "education" was instituted in this region...

And, now, you want them to come to a university wanting to somehow learn and the mercenaries hired to staff these hallowed halls of education to cover your a$$ when it comes down to yer job or theirs?

Keep dreamin', sister!

NCTBA

[scot47]

I hope you are not suggesting that 200 generations of cross-cousin marriage have had a damaging effect on the gene pool !

[Never Ceased To Be Amazed]

[Chailocks]

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[Grendal]

[Never Ceased To Be Amazed]

I take it that you concur...

NCTBA

[floydrules]

Never Ceased to be amazed

[Bebsi]

Gee NCTBA, you writin' 'bout KSA or somethin'?

[floydrules]

beside the invention of Saudi (education n arabia) described by NCTBA, can people please take time out and suggest me a good college to spend a couple of years where I can learn and teach, rather than getting into a problems of salary, accommodation, iqamah, etc.
(c'mon we all have been facing them)

[trapezius]

KFUPM
DCC
PSU
Al Faisal University (not King Faisal University)

[floydrules]

Thanks trapezius
Since I'm in Dammam DCC is what I'm eyeing at, can anyone help me out with their recuritment process?
Thanks,
floydrules

[veiledsentiments]

If you are already in Dammam, couldn't you... call?

VS