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eIn0791207912
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 Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:29 am Post subject: U. of Hawaii Japan-MBA |
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This may be a bit of stretch, but it never hurt to ask.
Has anyone here ever heard of someone working in Japan having graduated from the Japan-focused MBA at the University of Hawaii?
I've been doing a bit of research on it and it appears this specific MBA is very well regarded. In 2008 it was ranked in the top 25 internationally focused MBAs in the world. Out pacing even some international MBAs at Ivy League schools.
The Japan-focused MBA does standard coursework in Honolulu and then a guaranteed 3 month corporate internship in Tokyo. The goal is to create graduates that will work in Japan or with Japanese companies back in their home country.
So, if the foreign community there is anything like it is here in Korea, it's possible someone who has graduate from there or someone who knows someone from there might be on this forum.
Anyways, if you do/are, I have a few questions. Did the MBA prepare you to work in Tokyo? How is corporate life there? Does the salary match you might earn back home? Are you advancing up the ladder at a Western pace (according to your skills and abilities) or at the traditional pace for Japanese workers (based on seniority and time at the company?) Where in the corporate spectrum do you work, marketing, finance, accounting, m&a, etc.. ?
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G Cthulhu
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: U. of Hawaii Japan-MBA |
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| eIn0791207912 wrote: |
I've been doing a bit of research on it and it appears this specific MBA is very well regarded. In 2008 it was ranked in the top 25 internationally focused MBAs in the world. Out pacing even some international MBAs at Ivy League schools.
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A couple of things....
1. Ranking is in the US. No one cares about rankings (per se) outside the US, or at least, not about US rankings. (Trust me, UoH is not in the top 25 globally for MBA, regardless of the focus area...). However, US rankings *are* important for getting a job with a US company. In the US. One that might send you to Japan, for example.
2. The rest of your post is simply too general for an answer. There are too many variables. Sorry.
3. MBA's, unless they do come from an ivy league school *where you go to make contacts and for the school name*, are *IMO*, becoming worthless. Everyone and their dog has an MBA. If you have a focus area you like (eg. marketing, finance, operations, supply, etc) then get an MSc in that focus area. Hell, combine it with an MBA if you really have to. An MBA simply won't stand out unless it is from that aforementioned ivy league school. Let me give you an example: India turns out *88,000* MBA grads a year. Their average quality is, again IMO, higher than the US average. That *immediately* puts you in the bottom half of the world market. Do you really want to try to compete from that basis?! |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: U. of Hawaii Japan-MBA |
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| eIn0791207912 wrote: |
| The Japan-focused MBA does standard coursework in Honolulu and then a guaranteed 3 month corporate internship in Tokyo. The goal is to create graduates that will work in Japan or with Japanese companies back in their home country. |
I'll ask my coworker about MBAs because he has one, but I don't know where he got it.
Meanwhile, if this program is "Japan-focused", can we assume that when you write that it has "standard coursework", that it is standard by Japanese...uh...standards? Foreign MBAs are usually not looked upon with great acclaim in Japan because the business world operates differently here.
Also, if the Japanese company hires someone to work in a foreign branch, it is likely that there will be a lot of foreign workers in it, and they will follow more foreign rules of business than Japanese rules. Not sure how prevalent that is, nor how often it applies.
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| Are you advancing up the ladder at a Western pace (according to your skills and abilities) or at the traditional pace for Japanese workers (based on seniority and time at the company?) |
If you live in Japan, I would suspect that you follow the Japanese pace.
You might want to see what Terrie Lloyd has to say in his essays on the Daijob web site. |
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chongalice49
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| If you go through with it and attend UH, trust me, you will have choke opportunities in regards to Japan brah, probably more than anywhere else in the states. |
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eIn0791207912
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| chongalice49 wrote: |
| If you go through with it and attend UH, trust me, you will have choke opportunities in regards to Japan brah, probably more than anywhere else in the states. |
Forgive me if not quite up to date on the new hip lingo you crazy kids use these days. But what exactly constitutes "choke?" |
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eIn0791207912
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:34 am Post subject: Re: U. of Hawaii Japan-MBA |
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| Glenski wrote: |
| eIn0791207912 wrote: |
| The Japan-focused MBA does standard coursework in Honolulu and then a guaranteed 3 month corporate internship in Tokyo. The goal is to create graduates that will work in Japan or with Japanese companies back in their home country. |
I'll ask my coworker about MBAs because he has one, but I don't know where he got it.
Meanwhile, if this program is "Japan-focused", can we assume that when you write that it has "standard coursework", that it is standard by Japanese...uh...standards? Foreign MBAs are usually not looked upon with great acclaim in Japan because the business world operates differently here.
Also, if the Japanese company hires someone to work in a foreign branch, it is likely that there will be a lot of foreign workers in it, and they will follow more foreign rules of business than Japanese rules. Not sure how prevalent that is, nor how often it applies.
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| Are you advancing up the ladder at a Western pace (according to your skills and abilities) or at the traditional pace for Japanese workers (based on seniority and time at the company?) |
If you live in Japan, I would suspect that you follow the Japanese pace.
You might want to see what Terrie Lloyd has to say in his essays on the Daijob web site. |
The program claims to offer the fundamental basics for an MBA and then additional courses are added that focus on Japanese business culture, language, as well as foreign investment and marketing, and international and Japanese corporate and entrepreneurial law. That sounds like something that would set someone up quite nicely in Japanese company, but I could be entirely wrong.
About your comment that foreign MBA's are highly regarded in Japan. That's the first I've heard of that. What I have heard constantly, is that Japanese MBA's (which I've also looked at getting) aren't very well regarded outside of Japan. This seems to be an incredible limiting factor. If you get your MBA in Japan, you can pretty much only work in Japan. If you get your MBA outside of Japan, your limited to work mostly outside of Japan. How does that formula work when there are Japanese mega corporations with offices and branches all over the world and companies that are fundamental to the world economy as a whole? Who exactly works for these companies? And does it not stand to reason that a person with extensive knowledge and experience both inside and outside of the country is deemed more valuable to that company no matter where he/she may be placed or is currently representing that company?
These are the kind of questions that keep me up at night. It makes me constantly question if this is the right move or not. I want to work corporate in Japan. But not for a lifetime. I want to be able to go back to my home country or be marketable for another position if it were to open somewhere else in the world. Is there not a path to take that earns creditability both inside Japan and out that doesn't go through an Ivy League school? |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: U. of Hawaii Japan-MBA |
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| eIn0791207912 wrote: |
| About your comment that foreign MBA's are highly regarded in Japan. That's the first I've heard of that. |
Reread my post:
"Foreign MBAs are usually not looked upon with great acclaim in Japan"
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| nd does it not stand to reason that a person with extensive knowledge and experience both inside and outside of the country is deemed more valuable to that company no matter where he/she may be placed or is currently representing that company? |
Intrinsically, it makes sense, but when you have situations like the Toyota debacle, and the Japanese office falters on admitting fault (like companies do here all the time), it's pretty clear whose culture dominates the office.
Many/Most J businessmen who return to the home office are given a cooling off period and re-brainwashing so that they don't try to bring back too many foreign notions about how to do business in Japan.
These are the kind of questions that keep me up at night. It makes me constantly question if this is the right move or not. I want to work corporate in Japan. But not for a lifetime. I want to be able to go back to my home country or be marketable for another position if it were to open somewhere else in the world. Is there not a path to take that earns creditability both inside Japan and out that doesn't go through an Ivy League school?[/quote] |
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eIn0791207912
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:00 am Post subject: Re: U. of Hawaii Japan-MBA |
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| Glenski wrote: |
| eIn0791207912 wrote: |
| About your comment that foreign MBA's are highly regarded in Japan. That's the first I've heard of that. |
Reread my post:
"Foreign MBAs are usually not looked upon with great acclaim in Japan"
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| nd does it not stand to reason that a person with extensive knowledge and experience both inside and outside of the country is deemed more valuable to that company no matter where he/she may be placed or is currently representing that company? |
Intrinsically, it makes sense, but when you have situations like the Toyota debacle, and the Japanese office falters on admitting fault (like companies do here all the time), it's pretty clear whose culture dominates the office.
Many/Most J businessmen who return to the home office are given a cooling off period and re-brainwashing so that they don't try to bring back too many foreign notions about how to do business in Japan.
These are the kind of questions that keep me up at night. It makes me constantly question if this is the right move or not. I want to work corporate in Japan. But not for a lifetime. I want to be able to go back to my home country or be marketable for another position if it were to open somewhere else in the world. Is there not a path to take that earns creditability both inside Japan and out that doesn't go through an Ivy League school? |
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That's what I meant. Typo. |
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G Cthulhu
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