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Xelent



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: No Degree, TEFL Course, then China...... Reply with quote

I am currently a 23 year old male(american native), with no degree, and need a change from my current IT job. I have read several places that big cities only allow people with degrees teach there. However, what are some cities (in China) that allow people without a degree to teach.

Thanks
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tttompatz



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: No Degree, TEFL Course, then China...... Reply with quote

Xelent wrote:
I am currently a 23 year old male(american native), with no degree, and need a change from my current IT job. I have read several places that big cities only allow people with degrees teach there. However, what are some cities (in China) that allow people without a degree to teach.

Thanks


None legally (it is a requirement for your visa) however in some places your employer can "get around" that issue on your behalf.

If you want to work without a degree and since you are from the States you should probably try central or south America. It is not required in many places (like Mexico city) and it is fairly easy to land a job.

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Xelent



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to go to mexico......the company i currently work there has a facility there and I hear nightmare stories.

My mom was actually born in Panama, so I might check that out. However China was really my first choice. I want to be able to have a got legally and run the risk of being deported.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xelent wrote:
I don't want to go to mexico......the company i currently work there has a facility there and I hear nightmare stories.

My mom was actually born in Panama, so I might check that out. However China was really my first choice. I want to be able to have a got legally and run the risk of being deported.


Truth be told, for the most part, a degree is now an immigration requirement for a visa as a teacher in almost all of Asia, all of Europe (as well as an EU passport), and North America.

Additionally, with the large number of college grads who have no job opportunities in the US the competition for jobs is a lot stiffer for those who do not have a degree.

Give it a try (China) but don't be surprised if all you get are dodgy offers from less than reputable language academies.

You might also consider Cambodia, Laos or Indonesia if your heart is set on Asia rather than one of the republics in Central America or South America.

Make sure your TESOL certification is a reputable one and not one of the on-line quicky ones if you want to work without your degree.

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Xelent



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am looking to go through http://www.tefllife.com/

They are accredited here by the BBB (http://www.bbb.org/) so they are reputable company.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xelent wrote:
I am looking to go through http://www.tefllife.com/

They are accredited here by the BBB (http://www.bbb.org/) so they are reputable company.


Your original question was about obtaining (I assumed) LEGAL work as a teacher and without a degree.

Can you get a job without one = yes.
Will you have a "Z" visa and permits = no.
Can or will unscrupulous employers get around it for you = yes.
Can you get arrested, detained and/or deported if the crud hits the fan = yes.
Are you willing to risk it = unknown.

Just because the recruiter is a member of the BBB and has no complaints about them in your country does NOT mean they won't sell you to the highest bidder and then wash their hands of you (they are not your employer and they owe you nothing after you sign the contract - they are hired and paid for by the school).

CAVEAT EMPTOR but feel free to ignore the advice you find out here and keep fishing for the answer you want. It won't change anything after you leave the protection of your home country. You go abroad you play by their rules and your embassy, government or the BBB won't be able to help you.

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Chancellor



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: No Degree, TEFL Course, then China...... Reply with quote

Xelent wrote:
I am currently a 23 year old male(american native), with no degree, and need a change from my current IT job. I have read several places that big cities only allow people with degrees teach there. However, what are some cities (in China) that allow people without a degree to teach.

Thanks
So, why haven't you bothered to go get your degree? A degree these days is what a high school diploma was 30 years ago.
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Chancellor



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xelent wrote:
I am looking to go through http://www.tefllife.com/

They are accredited here by the BBB (http://www.bbb.org/) so they are reputable company.
The Better Business Bureau does not accredit TEFL courses or, for that matter, any courses. It is not an accrediting body and is most certainly is not qualified to evaluate courses the way an accrediting body (such as the regional bodies that accredit state universities here in the U. S.). Now, go learn what a real accrediting body does.
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Big Poppa Pump



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are still plenty of places in China who still hire people without a degree and they get them a visa. It all depends on the relationship they have with the local government. I've hired a few teachers without proper diplomas myself, thankfully, I'm not in a position to have to do that for the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't do the Tefl lite thing, if you really want a TEFL, spring for the few extra bucks and get a celta. The brand name is worth it.

As for your degree...

Well.. Fort Hays State University and Eastern Oregon University have programs that are completely online and both are reasonably priced. I suggest just getting it done. It will open doors for you beyond the ESL industry as it shows you are capable of using your brains a bit.
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Big Poppa Pump



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though, keep in mind.. the number of places still hiring teachers without a degree are shrinking. There is 1 plus billion people in China, you are assured that you will be able to find something, but the numbers are shrinking as there is a surplus of degree holding Americans and other westerners looking for jobs.
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GypsyKingAdventures



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:58 pm    Post subject: Need a degree - No, need guts - Yes Reply with quote

I lived and taught in China all of 2009 and don't agree that you must have a degree to get a job teaching there. China is clamoring for anybody who is a native English speaker but you also need to be prepared for life in China; because it is a huge shock in comparison to almost all western countries. That being said, don't let your not having a degree stop you but it will take some guts.
I recommend; Put a digital package together of your resume (CV), pics of first two pages of your passport (black out the passport #), 2 or 3 references - then Google teaching jobs in China and send your info to every one of them. Take an honest look at the responses and you'll see that you will get positive and negative feedback...take a realistic view of how much positive feedback you get and if you can try to solidify something if possible (you will need to be in China but it's fun to try).
I moved to Shanghai without a job (have a degree and a TESL certificate that was not online) and stayed in a hotel for a solid month, walking around the incredible city, eating the food and getting acclimated and paying a small weekly rate and loved it! I sent out emails everyday, checked responses every night and went on three interviews in different cities after a few weeks.
You don't need much money to live comfortably in China, I suggest getting as close to a big city as possible and you'll have more choices for fun, quiet, partying, anything you want, and access to the trains which will take you all over the country for much less than you imagine.
Trust me, do it while you're still young and you will not regret it...Smile
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truth be told, for the most part, a degree is now an immigration requirement for a visa as a teacher in almost all of Asia, all of Europe (as well as an EU passport), and North America.


I can only speak for Europe, but, having been here for 12+ years now, I know of no EU member country that requires a BA for a visa.

They do require a passport from an EU member country in most countries, though - I'm not offering this as a possibility for the OP, but only trying to set the record straight.
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Old Surrender



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps you should inquire in the China forum. We're working in China, afterall. Very Happy
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Madame J



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EF Shanghai are hiring people without degrees. Not sure if they manage to get the proper visas for employees though.
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TeresaLopez



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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: No Degree, TEFL Course, then China...... Reply with quote

[quote="tttompatz"]
Xelent wrote:


If you want to work without a degree and since you are from the States you should probably try central or south America. It is not required in many places (like Mexico city) and it is fairly easy to land a job.

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Not to split hairs, but Mexico City in neither South nor Central America, but North America. Having said that, it is fairly easy to find a job with just TESOL certificate, and some schools will hire you without even that and train you in their own method. But now is not the time to come, Mexico pretty much shuts down for the month of December and into January.
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