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Being taught in English "undermines local identity"
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Gus Barkley



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Being taught in English "undermines local identity" Reply with quote

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/education/being-taught-in-english-undermines-local-identity

The article highlights a few disgruntled teachers, but doesn't show any sign of a national outrage. It's been almost six months since the government announced that classes would be taught pretty much 50-50 English/Arabic starting in primary school. I guess I'm a little surprised there wasn't stronger resistance months ago.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Key paragraph:

We have good teachers here who are qualified and most importantly who speak with the students in their mother tongue," Ms Ali said. "These students speak in Arabic at home and when they come to school they can barely communicate with the teacher, so how will they learn?" She said she would prefer all subjects to be taught in Arabic. "English can be a second language that can be improved through good teaching material and teachers."

And we have all seen exactly how well this has worked over the last 20-30 years... But, let's not fix it... let's just keep doing the same thing and maybe next year it will work. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Being taught in English "undermines local identity"


Of course it does... but then in that case they need to have tertiary education in Arabic, whether it is sociology or medicine or mathematics.

How long would it take to produce capable scholars (using Arabic) and textbooks in Arabic in all fields of knowledge? A few centuries? Perhaps a millennium.

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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya know...we discussed the "losing (of precious) identity" ad nauseum when ADEC first came out with the idea and came to the conclusion that it was unadulterated bull$hit. In order for Emiratis (and probably ALL other Gulf Arabs save Yemenis and, possibly, Omanis to "lose" their "identity", they'd have to:

-stop driving like lunatics

-buckle up their kids

-stop polluting like all get out

-stop treating 3rd World nationals like thankless slaves

-actually go into a small market for their friggin' cup o' tea instead of sitting outside in their cars honking like Canadian Geese in heat

-show consideration for others rather than just themselves

-start coming to class on time and not resent you for marking ( not MAKING) them absent/late

-start doing their own homework instead of copying others' or just not being bothered to do it

-stop slouching in classroom so much that they look they're about to puddle out onto the floor

-start to realize that you CANNOT cram an ENTIRE semester on the last night before finals

-start to realize that their failing grades are, most likely, an outcome of them not studying

-stop asking the teacher to repeat nearly every blessed thing because they couldn't be bothered to pull themselves away from their IM's the first time around

-stop taking notes, when forced to, on Post-Its, stenographer notebooks built for a toddler's hand, or hurriedly snatched pieces of paper out of the printer that you KNOW will be discarded at the end of class if not just left behind

-actually re-read the ungrammatical, bizarre crap that they produce instead of the teacher going through each one carefully marking the errors only to have them eagerly chirp the corrections when they see the markings when yer tryin' to explain the problem only for you to suddenly realize that they couldn't be bothered to spend a few minutes more and revise their own work

-learn that they SIT with their family in the evening instead of "setting" with them and that they don't just "set with my family"...but they actually TALK to each other

-people cook in the kitchen... NOT the chicken

-and on, and on, and on...

When they give up these little peccadilloes, instead of actually learning English so they can stop terrorizing newbies who come to the Gulf with the expectation of actually teaching will there be any danger of "losing (their so precious and hard-earned) identity"... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Seriously...gimme a break!!!

NCTBA


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, love it, NCTBA.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I've got loads more...my bucket o' $hit has been overloaded for years. I jes' thought that it wasn't quite full. That is, until, I discovered the caustic crap at th' bottom had jes' corroded a hole in as the $hit never seems to end!

NCTBA
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, great job NCTBA. I was planning on writing something like that, but once I start, I have to write it all, and I just don't see the appeal in writing several pages which would have no effect on anybody on the internet.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:43 am    Post subject: and another thing................... Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


You made the day

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly true...

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote:
Oh, I've got loads more...my bucket o' $hit has been overloaded for years. I jes' thought that it wasn't quite full. That is, until, I discovered the caustic crap at th' bottom had jes' corroded a hole in as the $hit never seems to end! NCTBA

So unload all of it- it'll be therapeutic...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh...there are blogs for that! Wink

And, really, if you think about it, my name in itself is quite a statement for if someone never ceases to be amazed after as long as I've been around, you know that there's some astounding $hit constantly happening!

NCTBA
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trapezius wrote:
Wow, great job NCTBA. I was planning on writing something like that, but once I start, I have to write it all, and I just don't see the appeal in writing several pages which would have no effect on anybody on the internet.


Thanks, Trap... Ergo, the "And on, and on, and on..." portion. The rage that seethes below dare not be unleashed. The nationals are difficult enuf...they are the greatest...most wonderful people I've ever been associated with...

They, honestly, know no better...real life "Baby Hueys"...

It's the administration (Western) and the ethos of the Gulf that need the intervention...

These, honourable, people not unlike the the American Indian or the Aboriginals wasted nothing...with the affluence of oil, they've become the "poster children" of wasters...it's the Western influence that has deluded them and the "smart" nationals...such as "Tubby" who have convinced them of their "superiority" of others...

The colonization of the Emirates is seemingly complete with the national image fully entrenched and the "model" being promulgated into prosperity...

NCTBA
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Asda



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCTBA should write a book in a Michael Moore tone of voice...
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Sheikh N Bake



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wallah, sehr! Having put in 5 years at DWC, all I can add is... &%#@ their identity.

Oh--and &*$@ the Land Cruisers flashing their headlights behind me.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent 3 months back in the US this summer. As I left I thought, "Wow, not once did someone flash their lights."

Also, I'm pretty sure I go over more speed bumps in a day here than I did over the entire summer in the US.
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