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AGoodStory
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| Iceman, I love your good humor when confronted with information or opinions that run counter to your own, or to what you might want to hear. Not everyone can persevere with such good humor. |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Aw! No fair!!!!! That's discriminating against me on grounds that are almost racist! Somebody please change the entire system for ME because I AM that important.
Thank you very much! |
In all seriousness, and from what I've gathered thusfar, I think you'd make a great teacher, no matter where you are (even if they won't bend the visa rules just for you).  |
I have it on good authority from this bloke I know in the block that they don't really check passports along the Canadian border, and so I could be a great teacher somewhere there. And as soon as I get enough experience in Washington or somewhere, then I'll have the right to go further afield. Maybe go to Las Vegas and win some real cash.... |
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AGoodStory
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| . . .and win some real cash. . . |
Or lose some real cash! |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| But the recruiters said I'd probably win!! |
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Iceman33
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| But the recruiters said I'd probably win!! |
If you win big money in Las Vegas, then you can live wherever your heart desires without having to worry about work visas.  |
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Iceman33
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| AGoodStory wrote: |
| Iceman, I love your good humor when confronted with information or opinions that run counter to your own, or to what you might want to hear. Not everyone can persevere with such good humor. |
Thanks a lot, AGoodStory. I appreciate it.
Why can't we be lighthearted about serious matters, or "hot TESOL topics", for that matter? It brings a bit of civility and rationality back into the mix.
I'm very much enjoying things around here.  |
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tHEhERETIC
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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Location: S. Korea
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:18 am Post subject: Trinity TEFL |
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I hope you'll forgive my piggybacking here, but what's been said so far has actually helped me a bit.
I've got a B.A., a California teaching cert, and I'm in my third year teaching in Korea. I want to make the jump to Japan and possibly later eastern Europe, without going broke in the process. When I go back to California eventually, I'll need a financial war chest with me.
I'm looking at an online TESOL cert that says it's "equivalent to" a Trinity or CELTA cert. "Equivalent"? "Ontesol" is its name (deleted the link--not supposed to post links here?) I'm looking for a leg up, as I'm hoping to get into a good school in Kansai. Right now I'm making enough money to save some but I don't want to stay in Korea forever, want to go to Japan and study religion and culture while I'm working.
Is it possible to get a real quality i.e. Trinity certificate from here? While still working full-time? I don't want to drop nine hundred bucks on a course when I can do just as well for less. |
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spiral78
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The key to a 'real' newbie level cert is supervised teaching practice with real students. That's why the online editions aren't generally respected by employers in all regions.
I think online certs are OK where the job market is in favour of teachers.
They're not usually adequate for Eastern Europe, I can say for sure. |
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tHEhERETIC
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
The key to a 'real' newbie level cert is supervised teaching practice with real students. That's why the online editions aren't generally respected by employers in all regions.
I think online certs are OK where the job market is in favour of teachers.
They're not usually adequate for Eastern Europe, I can say for sure. |
That's disappointing. I've had directed teaching as part of my California credential, but not EFL per se. The course I'm looking at suggests I'd send in a videotape of the classes I'm teaching already, for a critique. I guess I'll keep looking.
Can anyone point me to a TESOL cert that understands that I'm already an experienced teacher? |
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naturegirl321
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| The best thing you've got going for you is the CA cert, ontesol should be fine. For more advanced, try DELTA , they also have a distance version. I believe it's www.thedistancedelta.com |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Trinity TEFL |
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| tHEhERETIC wrote: |
I hope you'll forgive my piggybacking here, but what's been said so far has actually helped me a bit.
I've got a B.A., a California teaching cert, and I'm in my third year teaching in Korea. I want to make the jump to Japan and possibly later eastern Europe, without going broke in the process. When I go back to California eventually, I'll need a financial war chest with me.
I'm looking at an online TESOL cert that says it's "equivalent to" a Trinity or CELTA cert. "Equivalent"? "Ontesol" is its name (deleted the link--not supposed to post links here?) I'm looking for a leg up, as I'm hoping to get into a good school in Kansai. Right now I'm making enough money to save some but I don't want to stay in Korea forever, want to go to Japan and study religion and culture while I'm working.
Is it possible to get a real quality i.e. Trinity certificate from here? While still working full-time? I don't want to drop nine hundred bucks on a course when I can do just as well for less. |
The school that does the online ONTESOL course is Coventry House International in Toronto, which is a Trinity course. The online course is not Trinity but it is considered by TESL Canada to be a Standard 2 course. It isn't completely online, though, because the 20-hour teaching practicum is done on-site. The grammar portion of the online course is diploma level (think DELTA). |
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Chancellor
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| spiral78 wrote: |
The key to a 'real' newbie level cert is supervised teaching practice with real students. That's why the online editions aren't generally respected by employers in all regions.
I think online certs are OK where the job market is in favour of teachers.
They're not usually adequate for Eastern Europe, I can say for sure. |
ONTESOL includes a 20-hour teaching practicum on-site in Toronto. |
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Iceman33
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
The key to a 'real' newbie level cert is supervised teaching practice with real students. That's why the online editions aren't generally respected by employers in all regions.
I think online certs are OK where the job market is in favour of teachers.
They're not usually adequate for Eastern Europe, I can say for sure. |
EFL teachers are in great demand in Russia, and that means standards are lowered. And Russia is not Japan: thousands of EFL teachers are not flocking there to teach. So while it seems that standards are very high in some of the best language schools in the big cities, you can teach there without having done an on-site TEFL course. In fact, many of the schools I checked into will hire you for just having advanced degrees in linguistics (extensive Russian knowledge is a plus, too). However, it all varies greatly from school to school. But, yes, you can teach there with just an online certificate, particularly in the countryside or smaller city (best to have at least have a BA or something to go with it, though). So, Russia is quite flexible, or seemingly so.
From what I can tell (again the jobs I've looked into), Russia still has a great respect for "high degrees", unlike a lot of the rest of the world. Sometimes that trumps everything else (Turkey is like that, too).
I really cannot speak for the rest of Eastern Europe. But I can you tell it's MUCH more accessible than Western Europe for EFL. If you got the qualifications, you can go there (a few countries are difficult, though, like Hungary, I believe) |
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spiral78
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Thanks for the info. I've been here in the Euro region for 12 years
I agree Russia's a somewhat different market to the rest of Europe, and I also know that they appreciate postgrad quals, having an MA and having worked in Moscow myself.
have you decided to head to Russia? That could work well for you. |
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