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Perilla



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:46 am    Post subject: Asian regrets? Reply with quote

This post is aimed mainly at those who've been in Asia (or were in Asia) for quite a few years.

I've been here 13 years - two years in Korea and now 11 (and counting) in Hong Kong.

One of my main regrets is the fact that, despite the lengthy amount of time I've been here, I haven't been able to travel around Asia properly. I've been on short holidays to quite a few countries but haven't really gone beyond scratching the surface.

Another regret is not working in other Asian countries, and this is unlikely to change now.

And another is that I still haven't got to grips with an Asian language - and that isn't likely to change either. Unfortunately!
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Asian regrets? Reply with quote

Perilla wrote:
This post is aimed mainly at those who've been in Asia (or were in Asia) for quite a few years.

I've been here 13 years - two years in Korea and now 11 (and counting) in Hong Kong.

One of my main regrets is the fact that, despite the lengthy amount of time I've been here, I haven't been able to travel around Asia properly. I've been on short holidays to quite a few countries but haven't really gone beyond scratching the surface.

Another regret is not working in other Asian countries, and this is unlikely to change now.

And another is that I still haven't got to grips with an Asian language - and that isn't likely to change either. Unfortunately!


wow.

Regrets = no.

I have traveled extensively around Asia (6-12 weeks every year for the last decade or so) and working in the public sector has given me the time to do that. Why are your holidays so short?

I have, by the grace of Ghod (pick your favorite deity), had the fortune to work in several countries in Asia including China, Korea, Japan and Thailand.
(I also have the vacation/retirement homestead bought and paid for in the Philippines (done some farming but not teaching there).

I have learned Korean, some of 2 of the Philippine languages (Bisaya and Tagalog) but I am not conversational in them yet.

Time to kick your puppy, get off the sofa and find your motivation. Life is too short for regrets.

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Perilla



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:05 am    Post subject: Re: Asian regrets? Reply with quote

tttompatz wrote:
I have traveled extensively around Asia (6-12 weeks every year for the last decade or so) and working in the public sector has given me the time to do that. Why are your holidays so short?

I have, by the grace of Ghod (pick your favorite deity), had the fortune to work in several countries in Asia including China, Korea, Japan and Thailand.
(I also have the vacation/retirement homestead bought and paid for in the Philippines (done some farming but not teaching there).

I have learned Korean, some of 2 of the Philippine languages (Bisaya and Tagalog) but I am not conversational in them yet.

Time to kick your puppy, get off the sofa and find your motivation. Life is too short for regrets.


Er, if you have no regrets Rolling Eyes then there was nothing for you to post!

The thread is supposed to be about regrets - not an opportunity to boast. Just because you've been lucky enough to have 6-12 weeks a year to travel around Asia doesn't mean everybody else can too. And as for "life is too short for regrets" - BS, IMO. Anyone who claims they have no regrets is probably not being completely ingenuous.

Time to kick your puppy, get off the sofa and find your motivation.

Where did I say I was lazy or unmotivated? The main reason I haven't travelled more in Asia is that during my long summer vacation I'm always obliged, for family/friend reasons, to return to the UK and Europe. So yes, I have had plenty of European holidays, have bought a place in Spain and improved my Spanish. Having said that, I have still managed to visit China three times, returned to Korea seven or eight times, Thailand four times and the Phillipines, Sri Lanka, Japan, Vietnam once apiece. But mostly these have been short trips of a week or so - not what I call "proper" travel.

I reckon if I had stayed in Korea (rather than move to HK) I'd have become fairly proficient with the language but, as I've pointed out eleswhere in these forums, learning Cantonese is a different ballgame and very few expats do, largely because there's no need to (most people in HK speak English).

Nonetheless, not learning Cantonese or another Asian language to a reasonable level is a regret - as is not having had more time to travel or work in Asia. No big deal - c'est la vie.

Regrets, anyone?
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sydneyuni



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only regret i have is that having experienced life in a wonderful asian country once i move back 2 my home country life in the rat race will be that much more dreary & stressful....
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wailing_imam



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have spent 10 years in Asia, a third of my life. I regret not making an
effort to learn Chinese properly. I am married to a Singaporean and am quite settled here. I have no desire to return to the uk.
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Micro67



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:29 am    Post subject: Off Days Reply with quote

Everyone has a bad day once in a while. On those days I regret that I'm not the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, but that probably wouldn't have happened even if I had stayed home.

10 years on, I'm still glad I came.
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Perilla



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: Off Days Reply with quote

Micro67 wrote:
Everyone has a bad day once in a while. On those days I regret that I'm not the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, but that probably wouldn't have happened even if I had stayed home.

10 years on, I'm still glad I came.


I suspect many CEOs often wish they were TEFL teachers in a low stress job somewhere in the backwaters of Asia! 13 years on and still happy ... most of the time!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been in Asia since 1995, mostly in Korea. The last 4 years have been in EPIK. The problem is, I've gotten too comfortable and lazy here. I'm very fast approaching total burnout on this country and wish I'd have gotten off my ass some years back! One of my personal issues is, I have an MS Ed in online curriculum design. I am also Adobe software certified. I'd like to break into the field, but it is not called for at all here (Korea). The DELTA has a specialty in online/blended learning and the DipTESOL program has a $300 course in the same. Either would be what I'm looking for to help make a transition from ESL in Korea.

I was going to do the CELTA as a prereq for the DELTA or DipTESOL. I haven't had any grammar or that kind of study in many years. I don't specifically have to have the CELTA, but the DELTA/DipT are NOT cheap and if you flunk, you don't get a refund. I can't spare 4 weeks at this time, so as a refresher course, I decided to do the ONTESOL from Coventry House (Canada) instead. It's totally online and I can do a 20 hour practicum anywhere in the world. I've found the ONTESOL is a good course, but I HATE grammar. Smile I'll finish by Christmas, and can go on after the Holidays.

My biggest regret is that I wish I'd have gotten out of here years ago and been more active in looking at jobs in the field of online teaching/curriculum design long ago. Especially some of the software!
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Micro67



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: Off Days Reply with quote

Perilla wrote:
I suspect many CEOs often wish they were TEFL teachers in a low stress job somewhere in the backwaters of Asia! 13 years on and still happy ... most of the time!
Exactamundo! It's a good life. We have strange characters aplenty to bemuse us, a high standard of living (by any standard) and earn an honest buck.

I will say that anyone who is considering the ESL life should do it carefully. I came sort of on a whim thinking I'd be here for 6 months, then travel the world like Kane from Kung Fu ... I have wound up more like a Jimmy Buffet song ... 'And four or five years slipped away'.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Off Days Reply with quote

Perilla wrote:
Micro67 wrote:
Everyone has a bad day once in a while. On those days I regret that I'm not the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, but that probably wouldn't have happened even if I had stayed home.

10 years on, I'm still glad I came.


I suspect many CEOs often wish they were TEFL teachers in a low stress job somewhere in the backwaters of Asia! 13 years on and still happy ... most of the time!


Highly doubtful about the CEOs. Have you seen the pay packages lately? Most CEOs at public companies, even those far outside the Fortune 500, are in a position to quit working tomorrow and still be more than fine for the rest of their life. And most are the personality type that need what an executive role gives in terms of ego, power, prestige, etc. (You know, all the things teachers lack.) They'd be miserable in ESL.
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Sudz



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same as me Micro. Came here for 8 months, which has turned into almost 6 years. I actually DID leave 'for good' after 8 months (to do a 2 month motorbike trip), but ended up coming back after due to a lack of funds.

It's been (mostly) a good ride, though I finally do have an exit plan next year (if all works out). Not to say, I wont come back at some point
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Perilla



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Off Days Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
Highly doubtful about the CEOs. Have you seen the pay packages lately? Most CEOs at public companies, even those far outside the Fortune 500, are in a position to quit working tomorrow and still be more than fine for the rest of their life. And most are the personality type that need what an executive role gives in terms of ego, power, prestige, etc. (You know, all the things teachers lack.) They'd be miserable in ESL.


They might be miserable in ESL, but that doesn't necessarily make them happy in their high falutin' CEO jobs. Money=Happiness? I think not. I still suspect many of them would crave a less stressful job, and you'd be surprised at the number of people who used to work in business who have wound up in TESL - albeit not many former CEOs.
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englishtutor1378



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No regrets when I left for Asia. Went to Japan and started at Ecc in Kanto.
Loved it and made good coin including everyday privates for a year or so. Then, got a better gig that allowed me to dress down (no hot suits or ties for another year) in a small Eikaiwa. Later, moved to the countryside to work for the Kurashiki BOE (not Interact or dispatch) and that was ok too for about a year.

While I was in Asia, I travelled to 12 countries and over 60 cities with my girlfriend and friends who I all met in Japan. Great lifestyle, a lot of experiences and earned good honest money.

For those of you who are planning to venture.....
only advice I can give you is what do you want to do when you get back? For me, I came back here to North America in quite a bad time. Not much Career jobs here and the teaching industry here in Ontario is hurting. My regret to be honest is coming back to the mundane life. With that said,
being Asian myself who can speak 4 languages and a Native English speaker with over 5 years teaching experience and qualifications I might as well go back!

Teaching in Asia is awesome and if you can hack it, your lifestyle, outlook in life, and overall life experiences will change you forever!
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greyskymornings



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I regret not fully researching what I was getting into. I've been teaching in South Korea, and I think I would have been much happier in Japan. :/ Lesson learned!
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englishtutor1378



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

South Korea? Sounds fun! I hear they have strong Judo clubs. When I was there I did see a lot of drunken fights and glass fall down from a building in Seoul. Luckily, no one got hurt. Other than that, it should be ok. Are you in the countryside or something? Is it boring?

Why do you regret it? Many of the guys I met in Kurashiki, Japan loved it and wanted to leave Japan to go back and we were working for the board. Well, you can still go to Japan. Although your experience may not count for too much there as they have that "Japan only" attitude. But you never know..

Feel free to elaborate. Yes, research is important and I spent 3 months on ESL cafe before I chose ECC. The rest is history.
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