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k.newborough
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I will be teaching for EF- are the regs different if it is not a state school?
I sent my transcript and a letter from my tutor explaining that the TEFL modules I did are the equivalent of a TEFL certificate- this was made on the university's headed paper.
So, the regulations you posted here say nothing of a certificate, but they want teaching experience?? I can't seem to gather a conclusion from it all- I hear of people with no experience and no TEFL getting a job with no problem!! I just want to get out there and teach!!! |
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johntpartee
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I will be teaching for EF- are the regs different if it is not a state school?
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That answers everything; EF makes up their own rules about things and says they are "laws". |
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xiao51
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@ HFG/xiao51
For once, you have unintentionally actually posted something that is useful.
The Jiangsu Regs you posted help answer a number of questions that have appeared here recently on other posts-at least as far as Jiangsu is concerned. A sincere thank you on this one.
The following quotes are from the Jiangsu Foreign Expert Affairs FAQ as posted by xiao51:
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Foreign specialists who are in urgent need in Jiangsu Province and employed as technologists or managers in the fields of economy, technology, engineering, finance, accounting, taxation, tourism and the like.
Only with the bachelor�s degree and five years of related working experiences at least may the foreign experts in (2) and (3) above be qualified (the language teacher with the bachelor�s degree and two years of related working experiences at least). |
This tracks what I have said previously in this thread and others over the last year or so about the bachelor degree + 2 years experience requirement.
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| 3) A Photocopy of Certificate of Authorized Qualification for Employment of Foreign Experts issued to the employer (cultural and educational category) |
This is where the local authority comes in if the school is under its jurisdiction i.e. the local Education Bureau.
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| (10) Certificate of insurance (accompanying family members should also be insured); |
This has been asked elsewhere on other posts. Here's your answer at least for Jiangsu province and it's the same in a growing number of provinces as discussed elsewhere. Yes, they are requiring it. But there are some local options and PICC has a group plan for foreigners and you can find this info by doing a search here.
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| Certificate (original) of terminating the contract between the applicant and previous employer (for the cultural and educational category, a recommendation letter from previous employer with unified format is required) |
Here's the answer to the "recommendation letter" issue which has been asked about a lot here recently regarding changing jobs.
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| A photocopy of the last degree diploma or professional testimonial together with Chinese translation |
Yes they want to see the degree diploma. We're discussing this on another thread. The regs say a copy is OK, but that's for the application materials. My experience is that the university wants to see the original and they will make a copy and send that in with the application.
Regardless, the takeaway from this part is bring the diploma, not the transcripts.
So thank you xiao51 for posting the Jiangsu Regs and clarifying some of the other issues that have hit here recently. |
Sorry but you are wrong YMMV. The school may locally come under the local Education Bureau but in Jiangsu Province the local Education Bureaus ultimately under the aegis of the Provincial Ministry of Education from which they derive all of their funding.
If you have any doubts about this, just call the number of the Jiangsu FEB. The gentleman who will answer the telephone will kindly explain this to you so that perhaps you may be enlightened.
In Jiangsu Province, educational matters ultimately defer to the Province. Corporate matters in terms of the FEC / Alien Work Permit ultimately defer to the Labor Ministry and the local Personnel Bureau.
We have since learned however that the employer in question is the extremely infamous EF as some have suspected. As John Partee noted, EF is well-known for making up the rules as it goes along and for playing far and wide with the truth.
It is EF that is under scrutiny by the FEB in Nanjing for shoddy hiring practices. They have been censored before and will be again. |
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ymmv
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Let it go xiao.
It's EF so it doesn't matter, and it's not worth our wasting any more effort helping EF out. On that, I think you and I will agree. |
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popsy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| You didn't come to China on a Z visa did you? If you had, this would not be happening now. |
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HiddenTreasure
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Just as popsy says...
You have a responsibility to know and follow the law and processes
You should have come to China with a legal working visa or suffer the consequences. |
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xiao51
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Just as popsy says...
You have a responsibility to know and follow the law and processes
You should have come to China with a legal working visa or suffer the consequences. |
Forgive me, truly, but perhaps we can avoid sanctimonious posturing?
I have reread all of the OP's posts and I have NO idea as to his or her visa status. The OP has provided us all here with scant details except as to the employer. I will not comment here as to the reputation of the employer as it is well noised about already.
As to the visa status, or to the location in country or out of country of the OP, we simply have no idea. Next topic, please, folks, this one ain't going nowhere. |
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SnoopBot
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| k.newborough wrote: |
I will be teaching for EF- are the regs different if it is not a state school?
I sent my transcript and a letter from my tutor explaining that the TEFL modules I did are the equivalent of a TEFL certificate- this was made on the university's headed paper.
So, the regulations you posted here say nothing of a certificate, but they want teaching experience?? I can't seem to gather a conclusion from it all- I hear of people with no experience and no TEFL getting a job with no problem!! I just want to get out there and teach!!! |
They will still hire you, but usually with the following restictions
1. Reduced pay because they claim you don'y have the certificate/experience from the original salary advertised.
2. A pay raise or better position will be offered after you complete THEIR TEFL cert program- often owned/operated by a relative of the school owner or admin staff- BTW Pay raise often never comes.
3. An increased in hours -often unpaid over-time to "get the experience" you lack - often at other off-campus locations- again someone in the admin staff gets to pocket the farm out payments those schools pay for your teaching services.
Welcome to Chinese 101 ESL. |
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