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beege



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:56 am    Post subject: Hiring Preferences Reply with quote

Can anyone tell me if China has specific hiring preferences in regards to age and ethnic background? I used to be an Academic Supervisor in Korea and it used to be my job to hire foreign teachers. It was made clear to avoid Korean-Americans or African Americans. Yes, this mentality is very sad. I'm thinking about working in China and I want to know if this country has the same prejudices that Korea or Japan may have.
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Mister Al



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For most employers the main criterion are

"White face and willing to accept as low a salary as we can get away with"
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dharma86



Joined: 05 May 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could depend on the school in question's first hand experience of that particular ethniticy.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are my boss's preferences:

1. White (the whiter the better)
2. Between 30-40 years old
3. Teaching experience
4. Native English speaker
5. From Canada or America (excluding Americans with a southern drawl)
6. University Degree
7. TESOL, TEFL, etc. certificate
8. Male
9. Not too 'fat'

These are my part-time job's preferences:

1. White
2. Energetic and happy
3. Younger the better
4. Native English speaker
5. University Degree

These are my former employee's preferences:

1. White
2. From a a native English-speaking country
3. No heavy accent
4. University and TESOL/TEFL degree

Don't attack the messenger, these are not MY preferences.
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beege



Joined: 04 Oct 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi great wall,
it's all good. thanks for the info. by the way, what about those who have a master's in tesl? any preferences there or would they still prefer young and white?
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askiptochina



Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Location: Beijing

PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"former employee's"? You mean employer?
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SnoopBot



Joined: 21 Jun 2007
Posts: 740
Location: USA

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:
These are my boss's preferences:

1. White (the whiter the better)
2. Between 30-40 years old
3. Teaching experience
4. Native English speaker
5. From Canada or America (excluding Americans with a southern drawl)
6. University Degree
7. TESOL, TEFL, etc. certificate
8. Male
9. Not too 'fat'

These are my part-time job's preferences:

1. White
2. Energetic and happy
3. Younger the better
4. Native English speaker
5. University Degree

These are my former employee's preferences:

1. White
2. From a a native English-speaking country
3. No heavy accent
4. University and TESOL/TEFL degree

Don't attack the messenger, these are not MY preferences.

So true. I will add a few more to the list:

1. Master's degree or higher in education with a TESOL endorsement or APL.
2. Retired on a home country pension- so a lower salary offering is not too much of a $ concern.
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west2east



Joined: 03 May 2009
Posts: 120
Location: China

PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister Al wrote:
For most employers the main criterion are

"White face and willing to accept as low a salary as we can get away with"


The salary part of your 'observation' applies worldwide. A general rule of economics is for an employer to pay as little as possible for as much work as possible. An employer to work for as little as possible for as much pay as possible. Laughing
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igorG



Joined: 10 Aug 2010
Posts: 1473
Location: asia

PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

west2east wrote:
Mister Al wrote:
For most employers the main criterion are

"White face and willing to accept as low a salary as we can get away with"


The salary part of your 'observation' applies worldwide. A general rule of economics is for an employer to pay as little as possible for as much work as possible. An employer to work for as little as possible for as much pay as possible. Laughing
I agree, if in the fields of cleaning, waiting on tables, or delivering papers. I totally disagree, if a local employer wants to get away with scamming a qualified FT for a position that requires teaching. Haven't we seen or heard of local employers whining how unpro we are?

There are so many local employers that don't even bother reading our Resumes. Why do they ask for it? Is it that they want to learn from us?

To really know what a local employer wants, you'd have to talk to the actual employees of the company, and that both, the local and foreign. Job adverts for mainland often do not tell much.
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mrwslee003



Joined: 14 Nov 2009
Posts: 190

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say that is the general picture, but it must be pointed out that there are many black and brown and other colors of the rainbow people
teaching in China as well.

Yet, I hate to see that most of the Fts are non-whites. Now don't go for the ropes and get all hot under the collar. Because most English speaking
people are white or of that texture. And it would look like China is racist if most of the Fts are black or brown. Just like most, if not all, of slave masters were white.

From the employers' point of view: they are more certain of getting an
English speaker. The less they know Chinese, the better they are to be
manipulated, no? Control? They like that. Of course, there is a status
element in the equation. It's in vogue to employ a "white" Ft. None of these is done with "malice", by the way.

History has employed so many blacks and browns, now you employ the other colour. Again, no offense. So don't take it as an insult!

Now, I feel the employers should know that while most of Fts should be
"white", employing some blacks and browns should give your students a different experience. It also gives a message to your students that it is possible for them to do the same. It opens the horizon for them that the
sky is the limit. After all, that is the ultimate goal of the services of the Fts, right?

Cheers!
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The Great Wall of Whiner



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beege wrote:
hi great wall,
it's all good. thanks for the info. by the way, what about those who have a master's in tesl? any preferences there or would they still prefer young and white?


Sorry, didn't look at this thread for some time.

"Young" is not a quality my boss is seeking. The preferences are in order of preference. My job is primarily 'oral' teaching, though I do enforce grammar and we have to know the difference between a n., v., and an adj.

I swear, we have had teachers that ask "what are these little 'n.'s and little 'v.'s by these words?" (that was hard to type out BTW).

My boss would take a qualified teacher who speaks English at a native level and has no strong accent. The accent would have to be similar to either American English (Go For It! textbooks and tapes) or British English (New Concept English and/or Junior English for China).

A strong Scottish accent or Barbados accent would not pass. Some South Africans have passed, but that's according to how they control their 'Dutch'-like pronunciation of certain words.
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