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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:01 am Post subject: |
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BAFTA Is that like NAFTA with a B? |
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rj

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 159
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| BAFTA--British Academy of Film and Television Arts |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks, I'd never heard of it before. |
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Tricky Woo
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 6 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| I kept thinking to myself for the first hour or so: "What the f*** is she doing just staring out of that hotel window when there's a city/country to explore?". It's as if she was under house arrest. |
Same here.
While the movie did have dubious "humour", that wasn't my main problem with the film -and I agree with Joachim that the movie's Japanese setting as a whole was incidental.
I just couldn't sympathize at all with the characters. The phrase "it takes two to tango" fits. Why did she not go to bed when her husband did, wake up when he did, and insist that she tag along with him, rather than be alone in her room or the hotel bar at the time? How am I supposed to feel sorry for Murray's character making a cool $2mil to make that commercial (and therefore be away from his wife)?
That, and there was absolutely no resolution. I can handle a slow, talky movie, where not much happens (see pick of the year to follow) -but give me something at the end. Oh, he whispered in her ear. Big deal.
The sountrack and cinetography were amazing, though.
Anyway, has anyone seen my favourite film of last year, The Station Agent? |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:49 am Post subject: |
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That, and there was absolutely no resolution. |
Jeeps, do they have to do everything for you these days. Perhaps your imagination has suffocated...
I was glad of the relief from endless bouts of closure that directors seem to have to cram into the last 15 mins of otherwise thought provoking films thesedays...
And, one other thing is that...
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James_T_Kirk

Joined: 20 Sep 2003 Posts: 357 Location: Ten Forward
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree, her BAFTA was totally undeserved, but Bill Murray was excellent, he should have gotten the Oscar... |
I disagree with this...while Murray was excellent, Sean Penn deserved the Oscar. While his performance in "Mystic River" probably wasn't his best, he was long overdue! |
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travelgoddess
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 104 Location: on vacation in Chiang Mai, Thailand until next contract starts (updated Jan 2010)
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:04 pm Post subject: Am I the only one who liked the movie? |
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For me the movie was an inside look at being an outsider in such a different culture. I really appreciated how she took this on, most people have a tendency to get all icky sweet when they do travel related works and tell the same story: went to foreign country, met amazing man/woman, learned about teh culture and changed my life forever. But there is a period where culture shock is strong and isolating. Yes, you get past it, but it exists. Thats what this movie was for me. As for the stereotypes, I have never been to Japan, but I am living in Taiwan now teaching...dont get me started on that one!
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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 1874 Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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And how do you feel about Taiwan, travelgoddess?  |
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Wolf

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 1245 Location: Middle Earth
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the responses. when the girl is in hospital would the doctor continue to speak at great length to her in Japanese? |
It's been my experience that finding English speaking doctors/dentists in Japan's larger cities isn't too much of a problem. Just in my ward/neighborhood on the edge of Nagoya, I found two English speaking doctors and two English speaking (US trained) dentists. There were plenty more. I had a list of about 50 recommeneded places that had English speaking medical services.
But it's my experience that a Japanese person might try to explain something even if they knew the listener couldn't understand. That happened to me a few times. One time I went to a police box/station to return a wallet. They spent half an hour trying to explain something to me. I finally figured out that I was entitled to some sort of "finder's fee" that I waived.
Another couple of small notes. The idea that the young woman wouldn't explore Japan does seem a bit odd. However, it can be difficult (amoung the Ekaiwa set anyway) for some people new to Japan to escape the "gaijin bubble" and experience the country that they live in. So it didn't feel totally unrealistic to me. Also, many US celebrities go to Japan and make inane commercials. I remember Ewan McGreggor's "I love you!" commercial for AEON, Brad Pitt's commercial for Roots Coffee, and Heavans as my witness Spike Lee doing a commercial for a car company (I think Toyota) . Ah-nuld even did one for one of the "Genki drinks." They sell their artistic integrity and dignity as a human being for money. Well, that's the idea behind Bill Murray's character, anyway. For what it's worth, I know at least one person who lost all respect for what Spike Lee was trying to do in his movies after seeing the dumb car commercial. Murray's character feels badly for signing away his professional integrity for money (something that a few EFL teachers can identify with, I'm sure.) I wasn't moved to tears by his plight, but I did feel a bit sympathetic. |
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travelgoddess
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 104 Location: on vacation in Chiang Mai, Thailand until next contract starts (updated Jan 2010)
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:32 pm Post subject: Taiwan... |
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How do I feel about Taiwan? That is a post for another time and another place. Let's just say that right now I am looking forward to leaving ...in 6 months!!!!!!!!!!!
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nolefan

Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 1458 Location: on the run
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:48 pm Post subject: what? |
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I am surprised at all of your comments to say the least! My wife and I both enjoyed the movie even though we were left with a feeling of "quoi?" at the end!!!
I loved the whole "lost in translation" concept becaue I live it everyday!!!! a 5 mn conversation gets translated to me as "maybe" or "no" or god knows what else and I am asking myself how can you say so much and mean so litte? |
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ntropy

Joined: 11 Oct 2003 Posts: 671 Location: ghurba
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I loved the movie. For me it wasn't about Japan, culture shock or anything to do with being in a foreign country. It could have been set anywhere. All that was just a catalyst to make the two main characters think of their most important relationships and how little connection they really had with the people who were supposed to be the most important ones in their lives |
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Lynn

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 696 Location: in between
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I was rather disappointed when I initially saw this movie. For me, it didn't live up to the hype. That being said, at least it was different. It explored a rarely talked about kind of relationship - both platonic and between an older man and a younger woman. For individuals that have been involved in this type of relationship, I'm sure this was a fantastic movie. For everyone else, it was just okay. |
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It wasn't platonic. It was supposed to be romantic. BTW, I didn't like the "chemistry" between the two. As someone else mentioned I just couldn't feel anything for the two spoiled people. And as a Japanese writer living in New York said
I feel more emotion watching "L" and "R" trains passing by in New York City than watching Coppola's characters fall in love. |
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nomadder

Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 709 Location: Somewherebetweenhereandthere
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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I liked it. Felt really nostalgic so that means it must have been a realistic portrayal. Except for a few parts. It wouldn�t be the same if you�ve never lived in Japan I suspect.
As for this racism thing. Ironically I doubt the concept even exists in Japan. Putting down non First World countries is commonplace. Frankly it�s refreshing that at least they speak their minds even if sometimes it�s too much of a negative stereotype. At least you know what they think and can agree or disagree.
I�ve always cringed when people say "That�s racist." First of all it�s meant to curb free speech. Think it, don�t say it. Secondly it�s subtly saying you think you�re better than the group/place the comment is about. Also just because a person/place is poorer/less educated/less desirable in some way, etc does that make them perfect and immune to the barrage of crap the rest of us "perfect people" can take?
No sad cries of racism and stereotyping appear when the almight US is put down. Why? Because deep down it is assumed that they can take it as really they are somehow better or it�s OK to put down those with more-money, glamour or whatever it is.
Just came from Honduras and I�m not afraid to say I hated the place. Well the scenery was nice but the people....scammers, dummies-can�t even get out of their own way. Was told by people working there that they don�t have any self respect or dignity. Yes sure there were some nice people but overall the place was creepy, weird. Lots of other poor countries have more pride and class. IN Nicaragua now and even though it�s poorer, there�s a better feeling in the air. OK where are all you Honduran lovers?
As for stereotypes-pretty hard to make a movie without them somewhat. They do exist and anyone who doesn�t think so is fooling themself. Note: they represent a type but not every single person in that group. There are always exceptions yet many of us see the group in the same way. Psychology of human processing. |
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Li-ka
Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 52
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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I saw this movie a month ago I think. I've been planning to come to Japan since last September and had encountered people who saw the movie at three different interviews I attended for teaching in Japan. Every person who had something to say said that it was an accurate representation of their time in Japan. So, I'm thinking... I have to see this movie. My bf and I finally get ahold of it after our interviews (and no, the English version doesn't have Japanese subtitles) and it made me leery of my decision to go to Japan. I cannot understand what the people are saying, or why the prostitute woman is flipping out, or why the photographer is rambling on and on and on, or what the woman in the hospital asked. I'm sorry if the movie did make a lot of prejudices and stereotypes about Japanese. But I don't really feel Bill Murry was overly rude... I was saying the same thing in my head. "Are you SURE that's all he said?" "LIP your stockings?"
Anywho... the movie didn't rank high in my book. But it probably was a better way of getting me to realize what culture shock will be like (I come in August!) than anything anyone on a forum can say. (But thanks guys for your all your wonderful input (c: I'm taking it all more seriously after watching the movie. ) |
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