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eha
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 355 Location: ME
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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' I have seen Bull artists of the highest order get huge respect in Asia and the Middle East'
And in Europe, Africa and the Middle West, (North, South and East too!) In fact, it seems to be the Age of B*llsh*t, at least as far as education is concerned.
(Oops! I didn't mean to omit Oz. It was just an oversight) |
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Geronimo
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Duffy wrote:
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Incidentally that site was formerly called "ESL Blacklist", says it all I think.
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I'm pleased to see that the website has changed its name. Here is the TUC's take on "Appropriate Use of Language" .....
http://www.bugbear.com/blacklist.html
Such guidance on English language usage - from a source of this nature - may well be regarded as being exceptional, however.
Generally, during my period of about 14 years working in Human Resource Management sections,
I noted a marked reluctance on the part of specialists in 'Recruitment and Selection'
to share their guidance notes via public HRM forums on how to teach English as a Foreign Language .
I wonder why that was so?!
The CIPD has been actively addressing some of the broader issues relating to talent development across the Gulf region, though...
http://www.cipd.co.uk/NR/rdonlyres/E7754087-3993-47B2-9F78-4CF437E445CA/0/talent_pipeline_event_uae.pdf
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isabel

Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 510 Location: God's green earth
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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I guess things can really change in a couple of short years. Sorry to hear that! |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Short years? Fergit it! HCT Women's College in Abu Dhabi went into the dumpster between the months of June and August of 2009. Like I said to people... that Summer was like "Day and Night"...
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isabel

Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 510 Location: God's green earth
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: |
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eha wrote: |
' I have seen Bull artists of the highest order get huge respect in Asia and the Middle East'
And in Europe, Africa and the Middle West, (North, South and East too!) In fact, it seems to be the Age of B*llsh*t, at least as far as education is concerned.
(Oops! I didn't mean to omit Oz. It was just an oversight) |
Sadly, all too true.
Glenn Beck comes to mind. . . (a sad U.S. example of the ascendancy of B.S.). |
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Beast
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 120
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:03 am Post subject: Non-Renewal Letters |
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Some in this thread have indicated they are at U of Nizwa and seem to champion the Non-Renewal letters. I did have some questions about the Non-Renewal letters.
Were these teachers ever observed in class?
Were they give any warning about their classroom teaching methods, etc.?
If they went through the process and still failed to improve, then they should not be renewed. If they were not given the letter of Renewal for no stated reason except a Gang of Roving Haters who profess, "I don't like her/him because they are not like me," or any other mindless reason.... then well... it's distasteful at best. These are people's lives you are dealing with and they should not be let go simply at the behest of the Gang of Haters.
In most Universities there are processes and procedures that are supposed to be followed and I assume these same things are in effect at The University of Nizwa. Or, maybe they are ignored because the cost of fighting it in court is prohibitive.
So, current employees and recently departed..... were these guidelines followed? |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Non-Renewal Letters |
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Beast wrote: |
In most Universities there are processes and procedures that are supposed to be followed and I assume these same things are in effect at The University of Nizwa. Or, maybe they are ignored because the cost of fighting it in court is prohibitive. |
I'm not sure what you mean by "champion" non-renewal letters. All employers use them properly when they wish to... not renew a teacher's contract.
I will assume here that by "most universities" you don't mean "in the Middle East." Non-renewal letters have been given out at the whim of employers at Gulf universities since I have been paying any attention. Warning letters are the exception to the rule... the rule being, "if we don't like you for whatever reason, we will not renew"... and if you don't like it, there is no legal recourse at all. As I recall, the contracts mention renewal at the choice of either party... they have zero obligation to renew any teacher. You have no RIGHT to a renewal of contract.
Not to mention that the employers can also fire you when and if they want. Teachers who require all kinds of rights in this area need to go work in countries that have teacher's unions.
For instance, look at all the terminations at HCT in Abu Dhabi this year. These people were just called in a few days before the end of the academic year and told that their contract was canceled. The employer had every right to do so without warnings or whatever... they did not even have to give a reason... all they are required to do by UAE law is pay the contractual obligations... which was one semester's salary. (the equivalent of the teacher being required to give one semester's notice before leaving in mid-contract)
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isabel

Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 510 Location: God's green earth
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Non-renewal letters, changes in schedules, etc., are used in the ME in lieu of real management. Yes, people should be given notice, guidance, guidelines, etc. But this requires interaction and sometimes confrontation- painful work.
Much better to wait until it is renewal time, and let some people go. Sometimes almost randomly.
I know of an instance in the ME where a person was let go accidentally. They intended to let someone else go who had the same given name. When they figured out the mistake, they didn't reverse it (loss of face, etc.) rather, the one who actually deserved to leave got to stay.
Arbitrariness, randomness, senselessness, and people who take advantage of the mismanagement to behave badly and not do their work. This is the formula for the sort of chaos that overtakes some unis in the ME. |
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Beast
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 120
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: But what did these teachers do??? |
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The question still has not been answered. What did these teachers do to not be renewed?
3. Whimsical is not a term to be associated with 'non-renewal' letters
This tells this thread nothing
And it does sound as if a few more non-renewal letters should go to the whingers
But, were they competent teachers?
Hopefully, all of those that are spending most of their time wandering about pissing and moaning can just move on to somewhere else and let those that want to actually teach get on with it.
How do you know they weren't looking out for what was best for the students? How can you be so sure that what the University is doing or has done is just plain nuts and makes no sense at all.
It's so easy to say, "They didn't get renewed so they must be Bad Teachers." Just maybe it's the Cheering Crowd in the Coliseum that is the problem.
We are still waiting to hear what these teachers did that was so bad. Does anybody know or care as long as it is somebody else? |
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Beast
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 120
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: But what did these teachers do??? |
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The question still has not been answered. What did these teachers do to not be renewed?
3. Whimsical is not a term to be associated with 'non-renewal' letters
This tells this thread nothing
And it does sound as if a few more non-renewal letters should go to the whingers
But, were they competent teachers?
Hopefully, all of those that are spending most of their time wandering about pissing and moaning can just move on to somewhere else and let those that want to actually teach get on with it.
How do you know they weren't looking out for what was best for the students? How can you be so sure that what the University is doing or has done is just plain nuts and makes no sense at all.
It's so easy to say, "They didn't get renewed so they must be Bad Teachers." Just maybe it's the Cheering Crowd in the Coliseum that is the problem.
We are still waiting to hear what these teachers did that was so bad. Does anybody know or care as long as it is somebody else? |
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isabel

Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 510 Location: God's green earth
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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It seems that to answer your question would require naming names and revealing sensitive information (information I surely don't have, and probably no one posting here has).
Please give us an example of the transparent management style you are suggesting as a model. It doesn't exist in the ME, to the best of my knowledge.
Even the worst teacher deserves a chance to appeal, to be heard, to have his or her "day in court" as it were. But it isn't going to happen.
I can't say as I have ever seen a person not renewed who had any sort of due process. I have seen people let go who behaved so egregiously as to leave the management no option and I have seen good teachers let go. But I have seldom seen the ones who are lazy, ill-prepared, occasionally drunk (in class, at 8 AM in one case) even get a real warning let alone not be renewed.
So if you are suggesting that there may be some lack of fairness at play, I can't imagine who would argue with you. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: But what did these teachers do??? |
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Beast wrote: |
It's so easy to say, "They didn't get renewed so they must be Bad Teachers." Just maybe it's the Cheering Crowd in the Coliseum that is the problem.
We are still waiting to hear what these teachers did that was so bad. Does anybody know or care as long as it is somebody else? |
All you would get is opinions, even from those who were there. I've seen teachers non-renewed... and their friends think it was a horrible unfair thing... and other merely nod and keep quiet that they agree completely with the termination. Some will feel that the person was a great teacher while others will feel that s/he was sub-par at best. I'm sure that those who have been causing all the problems there for the last year into this year think that they are "serious teachers only thinking about the students" while the majority of the teachers merely consider them obnoxious trouble makers keeping everyone from doing their job and only making things worse.
You are asking for answers that don't exist. There is no 'due process" of renewal. Both the teacher and the management have the right to say yes or no at the end of a contract... and, of course, in the end, if the employer says no... you're out.
Maybe I find it understandable since I am American. In the US, you can have years of experience at a job with great work reviews... and come in one morning and be told to empty your desk and go back home. You have no recourse... you go home and start looking for a new job. Union jobs are rare in the US, so the employers hold all the cards. Good and fair managements are hard to find most everywhere in the world.
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eha
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 355 Location: ME
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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'I've seen teachers non-renewed... and their friends think it was a horrible unfair thing... and other merely nod and keep quiet that they agree completely with the termination. Some will feel that the person was a great teacher while others will feel that s/he was sub-par at best.'
But surely, in a rational environment---eg. a 'university'---- even an 'opinion' has to be backed up by reason(s)? And isn't the crux of the problem the fact that some 'opinions' carry more weight than others? And not necessarily for rational reasons; more depending on the deployment of power? Especially the power of gossip. |
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March Hare
Joined: 16 Oct 2010 Posts: 21 Location: S. Korea
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: |
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eha wrote: |
But surely, in a rational environment---eg. a 'university'---- even an 'opinion' has to be backed up by reason(s)? And isn't the crux of the problem the fact that some 'opinions' carry more weight than others? And not necessarily for rational reasons; more depending on the deployment of power? Especially the power of gossip. |
That would be true, in a rational environment....
You're quite right to put 'university' in inverted commas. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:37 am Post subject: |
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eha wrote: |
But surely, in a rational environment---eg. a 'university'---- even an 'opinion' has to be backed up by reason(s)? |
Therein lies the rub... unrealistic expectations.
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