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carrizales
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 28 Location: FL
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:03 am Post subject: working at a catholic school. |
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Hey, I just got called in to interview at this colegio. It's a catholic school and I was just curious what your experiences with it were. Were they open to letting in teachers who weren't so hardcore catholic or what was the situation like?
As for myself, I was raised catholic and had my communion and everything, but I kind of just stopped going to church and I'm not that religious or anything. I just hope this isnt a problem or anything. |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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It depends greatly on the particular school or association.
There's a colegio in DF I know very well run by Opus Dei...hardcore Catholic. Their schools are either boys-only or girls-only so only male teachers and female teachers respectively. Despite being Opus Dei, the school will not hire specifically along religious lines and most teachers aren't asked to teach religion in any way.
Teachers there are asked to participate in some Catholic services and one is expected to not express certain opinions and beliefs openly on campus - the usual suspects such as homosexuality, abortion, etc. |
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carrizales
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 28 Location: FL
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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I think we're talking about the same school. Yeah, I have no problem keeping my opinions to myself. Nor would I care in participating in Catholic services, I do it to amuse my mother. heh. Thanks. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Is this kind of discrimination legal in Mexico? It certainly isn't where I come from! |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
Is this kind of discrimination legal in Mexico? It certainly isn't where I come from! |
Discrimination meaning freedom of speech? Or hiring by gender? |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
Is this kind of discrimination legal in Mexico? It certainly isn't where I come from! |
It's discrimination, pure and simple. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Guy Courchesne wrote: |
Phil_K wrote: |
Is this kind of discrimination legal in Mexico? It certainly isn't where I come from! |
Discrimination meaning freedom of speech? Or hiring by gender? |
Discrimination based on religious beliefs only. I know there is no gender discrimination law in Mexico, but I don't know if there is one based on religion. If there isn't, there should be. |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting...I don't see it as very different from Catholic schools in my part of Canada. If you go to a Catholic school (or rather if your parents send you), you are exposed to Catholic beliefs. I went to Catholic school all through primary and middle school.
I can't see an Ontario Catholic school teacher hanging on to their job if they were to stray from doctrine into areas considered taboo by the church. Church and state are different realms. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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I was refering to being denied employment due to religious beliefs.
However, it seems I'm wrong. A UK Government website addresses exactly the point we're discussing:
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Direct discrimination
You have the right not to be treated less favourably than someone else (eg not being promoted) because of your religion or belief, your perceived religion or belief, or the religion or belief of people you associate with.
However, direct discrimination is allowed where religious belief is a necessary requirement for the job. For example, a Roman Catholic school may be able to restrict applications for a scripture teacher to baptized Catholics. |
Or maybe not...  |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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That's religion for you...but...
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Despite being Opus Dei, the school will not hire specifically along religious lines and most teachers aren't asked to teach religion in any way. |
I guess I wasn't clear...the school I'm talking about doesn't specifically take into consideration one's religion when hiring. You don't need to be a Catholic to work there. I probably should have said the school hiring practices do not follow religious lines or something to that effect. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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It's not always discrimination and it's not automatically illegal to deny employment based on background, even in the enlightened western world. There is a legal concept thingy that covers this - genuine occupational qualification.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genuine_Occupational_Qualification
It is presumably for this reason that the king or queen of England cannot be catholic. |
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TeresaLopez

Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Posts: 601 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
Guy Courchesne wrote: |
Phil_K wrote: |
Is this kind of discrimination legal in Mexico? It certainly isn't where I come from! |
Discrimination meaning freedom of speech? Or hiring by gender? |
Discrimination based on religious beliefs only. I know there is no gender discrimination law in Mexico, but I don't know if there is one based on religion. If there isn't, there should be. |
I don�t know if you are Canadian or American, but in the US it is legal to hire only Catholic teachers to teach in Catholic schools. I was asked at at interview for a Catholic school if I was Catholic, which I am, and had no problem answering, but I also questioned if it was legal, and yes, it is. I don�t think it is discimination, how can a non Catholic teach Catholic doctrine to children, as is expected in Catholic elementary schools. |
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FreddyM
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 180 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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The particular school being discussed here does not necessarily discriminate on religious grounds. They've hired atheists in the past. There are several non-Catholics working there, particularly the foreign teachers.
There are a lot of forms of discrimination in this country, regardless of whatever laws are in the books. And private institutions (including private schools) have even more wiggle room to hire, fire, promote and whatnot whoever they want. |
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