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feebleweiner



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:43 am    Post subject: Re: Regarding sexual harassment Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
JT article that may be of interest http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20101026zg.html


I read the article just now and I am literally at work wiping tears from my eyes. �Alot of similar things have happened to me since I've moved here. �I've had men grab me And say their hotel bit, I've had men grope themselves in front of me, this man made it a point to do it everytime he passed me at the store. �And it's to the point where I don't even mention what's going on because I feel like ppl are tired of hearing me voice what's going on. �Or I should suck it up. I'm not used to any attention from guys and I don't look for it. �It's been suggested that it's my fault these things are happening. �I vented about the racism, not even sexual pervertedness, I've been dealing with and....ugh. �Im not talking about the general you're gaijin so we treat you as such but flat out racism from other foreigners particularly men. � The only comfort I can find is I'm not crazy. �
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not really racism...and I know that's hard to buy...it's more of a sense of Japaneseness and not...

NCTBA
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kotoko



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: Regarding sexual harassment Reply with quote

feebleweiner wrote:
TokyoLiz wrote:
JT article that may be of interest http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20101026zg.html


I read the article just now and I am literally at work wiping tears from my eyes. �Alot of similar things have happened to me since I've moved here. �I've had men grab me And say their hotel bit, I've had men grope themselves in front of me, this man made it a point to do it everytime he passed me at the store. �And it's to the point where I don't even mention what's going on because I feel like ppl are tired of hearing me voice what's going on. �Or I should suck it up. I'm not used to any attention from guys and I don't look for it. �It's been suggested that it's my fault these things are happening. �I vented about the racism, not even sexual pervertedness, I've been dealing with and....ugh. �Im not talking about the general you're gaijin so we treat you as such but flat out racism from other foreigners particularly men. � The only comfort I can find is I'm not crazy. �


Good God, where are you living? I have NEVER had anything like that. I've never even heard of any sexual harrassment (other than my my female JHS students grabbing my boobs sometimes).

You said that people say it's your fault. Are you going round dressed in very revealing clothes or something?
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feebleweiner



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote:
It's not really racism...and I know that's hard to buy...it's more of a sense of Japaneseness and not...

NCTBA


I'm not talking about the "we're japanes-ism". But some days I swear I'm living in the south USA
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feebleweiner



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: Regarding sexual harassment Reply with quote

kotoko wrote:
feebleweiner wrote:
TokyoLiz wrote:
JT article that may be of interest http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20101026zg.html


I read the article just now and I am literally at work wiping tears from my eyes. �Alot of similar things have happened to me since I've moved here. �I've had men grab me And say their hotel bit, I've had men grope themselves in front of me, this man made it a point to do it everytime he passed me at the store. �And it's to the point where I don't even mention what's going on because I feel like ppl are tired of hearing me voice what's going on. �Or I should suck it up. I'm not used to any attention from guys and I don't look for it. �It's been suggested that it's my fault these things are happening. �I vented about the racism, not even sexual pervertedness, I've been dealing with and....ugh. �Im not talking about the general you're gaijin so we treat you as such but flat out racism from other foreigners particularly men. � The only comfort I can find is I'm not crazy. �


Good God, where are you living? I have NEVER had anything like that. I've never even heard of any sexual harrassment (other than my my female JHS students grabbing my boobs sometimes).

You said that people say it's your fault. Are you going round dressed in very revealing clothes or something?


No! I wear jeans, t-shirts and if the shirt has a low neckline I wear a cami underneath it.

That's my basic outfit and for school I wear collared shirts, work pants, nothing sleazy. I have tighter pants that show off my shape but how is that any worse than the girl wearing a miniskirt and showing legs?
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feebleweiner



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The part that made me stop talking about what's happening is a friend told me I was lying about the school incidents and my personal life. His reasoning was "you're black and Japanese don't like black women". I was writing what happened but after he told me that I wondered what good would it be? So at most I have an idea how to handle the school kid and I will be speaking up if he acts out in our next class but the other stuff....I've felt very alone because if I say something ppl say I'm trying to make it about race or I'm not being genki or whatever.

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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my heart goes out to you. I can only imagine how horrible it must be.
I guess the only other thing I can say is what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, yeah? Good luck to you!
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds bad, definitely feel for you. I taught briefly at a girl's JHS/HS in Tokyo, and my blood pressure was through the roof. First year junior-highers were definitely not for me. Hormones probably have something to do with it, that and that was pretty much their first year of exposure to English. The school was hopeless with a discipline problem I had (I was teaching solo 1 day a week). Their policy, what problem, you're the only one having a problem. Luckily I switched that class off with another teacher.

If I was dealing with something like you have, I might personally take the kid aside, and "accidentally" 'cube' him as hard as I could. He would probably never give you guff again. Cool , at least until after seeing if he could walk upright again! Shocked
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kotoko



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well my heart goes out to you. If it were me I wouldn't cope at all, you're stronger than I am.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omigod, I had not intended to post that link in order to upset people. :/ I posted it in order to inform.

When I was a JET years ago, a school board bigwig groped an office support worker at an enkai party. Another office girl and I drew the office lady away, but there were no repercussions for the Bigwig.

I made it really clear to my coworkers that if anybody tried that on me, there would be violence. I wasn't popular, but I was never subjected to sexual harassment, either.

I'm so sad that I get rubber-necked by guys all the time not because I'm pretty but merely because I'm foreign....It can really hurt a woman's self esteem being looked at as a curiosity rather than as a person in her power.

Be safe, gals!
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Vince



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Regarding sexual harassment Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
JT article that may be of interest http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20101026zg.html

Let's post the article's resource list.

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Advice for victims

What should you do if you are a victim of sexual harassment?

� Documenting the harassment is important, says Kyoko Ogura, an attorney based in Tokyo who specializes in sexual harassment law. Any kind of harassment should be written down in detail on the date that it occurs.

� Talk to coworkers and make allies, suggests Chika Shinohara, a professor of sociology at Momoyama Gakuin University and an expert in sexual harassment issues.

� Get in touch with an NGO. Midori Hirayama and Rina Bovrisse both recommend contacting an NGO for advice, support, and to get references to attorneys. The Action Center for Working Women (www.acw2.org, (03) -5304-7383) is a nationwide network based in Tokyo. Another organization is the Women's Working Network (www.wwn-net.org, (06) -6941-8700), based in Osaka. For women living in Osaka Prefecture, the Dawn Center (www.dawncenter.or.jp/english, (06) -6944-8242) has free counseling available in person or on the telephone.

Fiona Creaser, a lecturer at Tama University and an expert on sexual harassment on campuses in Japan, suggests contacting the following groups:

� Network for Action against Academic Harassment: www.naah.jp, (06) 6353-3364

� Support House Jomu: www15.ocn.ne.jp/ ~jomu, (03) 3320-5307

� Tokyo English Life Line: www.telljp.com, (03) 5774-0992

� Human Rights Counseling for Foreigners: www.moj.go.jp/JINKEN/jinken21.html

(S.S.)


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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wowza! Shocked

Shocking stuff! Crying or Very sad

Take care feeble!
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kotoko



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all honesty though, sexual harassment issues against foreign women (not Japanese women) ARE rare. The stuff happening to the OP is very sad but it's not something that happens so often that a big shocking article like that needs to be written. It's sensationalist 'news' and will do nothing more than make people worry about coming to Japan.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vince, good idea!

Kotoko, I wonder if you live in the same Japan.

So many of my foreign women friends, and me, included, have been groped, been sexually harassed (inappropriate comments), and worked with staff that make inappropriate sexual comments.

While I agree, the reporter has included a great deal of detail, he documents violations of personal space and inappropriate talk in the workplace.
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kotoko



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't deny that this happens. I have mild sexual harassment at work from kids but have never had any from adults. But I'm not saying that that is the problem.

Sexual harassment is a very big problem but the article is almost sexualising it. It's not sympathetic; it's written to shock people and to attack Japan. Take a look at the other articles in the category- they are meant to comfort expats who are feeling that they dislike Japan, or for people abroad who want to shake their heads and talk about how crazy Japan is- just like they do with the used pany vending machines. It's sensationalism and, quite frankly, almost an insult to people who do actually go through sexual harassment here.

*edit* (forgot to say)
I'm on a couple of teaching/JET/Japan forums and this article has been posted on every single one of them, plus on facebook a number of times by different friends. It's written to make you want to share it, be it whether you are outraged at it, agreeing with it.. whatever. They want your clicks and we are giving them exactly what they want.
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