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nomad-ish



Joined: 21 Oct 2010
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Location: Moving up the food chain!

PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:49 am    Post subject: Options, Opinions? Reply with quote

i'm not really sure where i'm headed to next, and i was hoping to get some opinions of the well-travelled posters on dave's Very Happy

right now, my priorities (in order of importance) are:
1. a job teaching science in english
2. ability to save a little, or at least break even
3. warm weather

my qualifications are:
-honours BSc degree from a top university in canada
-MSc in forensic science, with thesis
-3 full years of EFL experience at public schools in south korea
-about 1 year of tutoring experience (3 months of this was spent in an international college in canada)
-laboratory work and volunteer experience

does anyone have any opinions on where i should head to next or any reputable programs i should apply to? i'd prefer to work for a government school, but i can't be picky since i'm looking for a science position. not all of my priorities have to be met either, i'm mainly just interested in number 1 and 2.

thanks in advance
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tttompatz



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at the international schools in Southern China or Thailand.

They are always looking for subject teachers (in English).
Math and Science teachers are usually on the top of their wish list.

You can expect salaries in the $1500-2500 range (depending on the type of school).

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nomad-ish



Joined: 21 Oct 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tttompatz wrote:
Look at the international schools in Southern China or Thailand.

They are always looking for subject teachers (in English).
Math and Science teachers are usually on the top of their wish list.

You can expect salaries in the $1500-2500 range (depending on the type of school).

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don't the international schools usually require a home country teaching certificate? or do you think my masters would be an appropriate substitute for that?

edit: i just found this. is it really that simple? 20 hours in workshops and i'll have a thai teaching certificate?

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For teachers, one of the requirements for a work permit is a Thai teaching license. Many teachers at international schools already have a teaching license in their home country so the process of obtaining a Thai license is not complicated. Teachers who do not have a teaching license in their home country will need to show appropriate qualifications to obtain one in Thailand.

Before being issued with a license all teachers are required to complete a 20-hour workshop on Thai language and culture,and professional conduct for teachers. For international schools, this workshop is conducted by the employing school according to training designed by ISAT.
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tttompatz



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad-ish wrote:
tttompatz wrote:
Look at the international schools in Southern China or Thailand.

They are always looking for subject teachers (in English).
Math and Science teachers are usually on the top of their wish list.

You can expect salaries in the $1500-2500 range (depending on the type of school).

.


don't the international schools usually require a home country teaching certificate? or do you think my masters would be an appropriate substitute for that?

edit: i just found this. is it really that simple? 20 hours in workshops and i'll have a thai teaching certificate?

Quote:
For teachers, one of the requirements for a work permit is a Thai teaching license. Many teachers at international schools already have a teaching license in their home country so the process of obtaining a Thai license is not complicated. Teachers who do not have a teaching license in their home country will need to show appropriate qualifications to obtain one in Thailand.

Before being issued with a license all teachers are required to complete a 20-hour workshop on Thai language and culture,and professional conduct for teachers. For international schools, this workshop is conducted by the employing school according to training designed by ISAT.


It is just about that simple for those who are qualified.

And, for those who have math and sciences above the undergrad level many international schools will overlook the lack of home country certification and accept actual classroom experience + the masters in maths and sciences when looking for subject (not homeroom) teachers.

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naturegirl321



Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YOu might be able to teach in an intl school. They usually require teaching certs,but the fact that you teach Science might negate that. Also, if you head for the "less popular " Countries, you might have abetter chance as well.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What age group did you want to teach "science in English"?

Just what sort of "science" did you plan to teach? If you're not able to land an international school job, you'll have to have a pretty high command of the local language in most countries.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 21 Oct 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
What age group did you want to teach "science in English"?

Just what sort of "science" did you plan to teach? If you're not able to land an international school job, you'll have to have a pretty high command of the local language in most countries.


i majored in biology for my undergrad, my postgrad work was a bit more focussed, so i think i would have to aim for biology at high school level or general sciences for middle school students.

i wouldn't be fluent in the local language (unless it's english Wink ), so i'm definitely looking for an international school or possibly a university that conducts some science courses in english (i've heard there are some in china).
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nomad soul



Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Location: The real world

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're interested in teaching science at the secondary level, you should check out teaching overseas at a Department of Defense school. Google 'DoDEA.' The DoDEA operates 194 schools in 14 districts located in 12 foreign countries, seven states, Guam, and Puerto Rico.
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear nomad soul,

The DoD is a very good option. My step-daughter, a music teacher, was laid-off in Colorado. I told her to apply to the DoD.
She's now teaching music at Fort Campbell in Kentucky, and, after spending two years there, she can ask for a transfer overseas if she wants.

She loves it.

Regards,
John
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might still need teaching certification/license.
http://internationalcenter.umich.edu/swt/work/options/qual_teach1.html#english
http://www.tieonline.com/community_job_guide_3.cfm

The second link above says:
Department of Defense Dependents Schools: Teaching Jobs Overseas

The U.S. Department of Defense operates around 200 elementary and secondary schools located primarily in NATO countries, usually on American military bases in Europe, Great Britain, the Mediterranean area, Japan, Korea, The Philippines, Cuba, Panama, Canada and other Atlantic region locations. Teachers and administrators for DoDDS schools are hired in the United States and candidates must have American training and certification.


john,
What about your step-daughter?
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Glenski,

She's certified to teach in Colorado and has about 10 years teaching experience in the States. She now working on her MA.

Regards,
John
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

unfortunately, the DoD jobs are out: i'm not american Wink but thanks to everyone for the advice; i think i'll start contacting international schools to see if they'll take my masters and classroom experience in place of a teaching certificate.
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LongShiKong



Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 1082
Location: China

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:20 pm    Post subject: Int'l schools - China vs other countries Reply with quote

I'm back in Canada doing a 1 yr teacher's degree at Queen's U after 9 years of TEFL in China. It was actually my mother's advice following my 1st year--she wanted me to get a 'real job'. At the time I chose ESL to career-switch into, I couldn't appreciate why TEFL engendered such disparaging comments.

I've got until our Int'l Career Fair in January to decide whether I want to return to China or choose another country entirely as job prospects here are slim. at the moment, I'm leaning slightly toward China but I'm also open to teaching in other countries. I'd love to hear from those of you who can compare teaching at Int'l schools in China with those in other countries.
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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unfortunately, the DoD jobs are out: i'm not american but thanks to everyone for the advice; i think i'll start contacting international schools to see if they'll take my masters and classroom experience in place of a teaching certificate.


Can't speak for other parts of the world, but this is a grand idea for a place like Mexico. English teachers abound, but international schools here always have trouble finding good math and science teachers. I think you'd do just fine going this route.
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