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| What country is best for a 58 year old newbie with an advanced degree? |
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Hero3128
Joined: 03 Oct 2010
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| Wow, I didn't realize age discrimination was a problem. What do you suggest for a 42-year-old former college math professor? I was hoping for Hong Kong or Sinagapore. |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: business english and thanks for the feedback! |
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coledavis,
Regarding teaching business english, how hard is it to get those jobs and are they any better. I've come across the idea of an ESP to do this. Do you think that makes sense or is that too small a niche?
I appreciate the advice! |
I think it was Chancellor who mentioned business English. I would suggest taking the CELTA, as while there are specific business English jobs, most are a mixture of general and business English. Also, business English won't obviate the need for some knowledge and practice of English teaching techniques. Sorry, not a clue what an ESP is - something to do with ghosts? |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Hero3128 wrote: |
| Wow, I didn't realize age discrimination was a problem. What do you suggest for a 42-year-old former college math professor? I was hoping for Hong Kong or Sinagapore. |
Please note that while the poll's sample is a grand total of 8 people (one person = 14%), this gives no indication of how many people think there is a discrimination problem. It just recommends countries which may be particularly helpful.
Age discrimination isn't that terrible; as for 42 year olds, I see no problem, although I think people can earn a lot more teaching mathematics than they can teaching English. You can of course find jobs where you can teach both. |
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Hero3128
Joined: 03 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Hero3128 wrote: |
| Wow, I didn't realize age discrimination was a problem. What do you suggest for a 42-year-old former college math professor? I was hoping for Hong Kong or Sinagapore. |
Please note that while the poll's sample is a grand total of 8 people (one person = 14%), this gives no indication of how many people think there is a discrimination problem. It just recommends countries which may be particularly helpful.
Age discrimination isn't that terrible; as for 42 year olds, I see no problem, although I think people can earn a lot more teaching mathematics than they can teaching English. You can of course find jobs where you can teach both. |
Thanks Coledavis, I had no idea that they'd let me teach math abroad. Just curious, why would they need to import a math teacher? |
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wckusa
Joined: 01 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: a survey on age |
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| coledavis wrote: |
| Hero3128 wrote: |
| Wow, I didn't realize age discrimination was a problem. What do you suggest for a 42-year-old former college math professor? I was hoping for Hong Kong or Sinagapore. |
Please note that while the poll's sample is a grand total of 8 people (one person = 14%), this gives no indication of how many people think there is a discrimination problem. It just recommends countries which may be particularly helpful.
Age discrimination isn't that terrible; as for 42 year olds, I see no problem, although I think people can earn a lot more teaching mathematics than they can teaching English. You can of course find jobs where you can teach both. |
I keep running across people in forums who state that age is a big deal. It is good to find you haven't encountered it. I came across this survey online and, while I have no idea how valid the findings are, I would like to get feedback. It breaks age limits down country by country: http://www.internationalschoolsreview.com/nonmembers/age-article.htm |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003
Posts: 1838
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Hero3128 wrote: |
| coledavis wrote: |
| Hero3128 wrote: |
| Wow, I didn't realize age discrimination was a problem. What do you suggest for a 42-year-old former college math professor? I was hoping for Hong Kong or Sinagapore. |
Please note that while the poll's sample is a grand total of 8 people (one person = 14%), this gives no indication of how many people think there is a discrimination problem. It just recommends countries which may be particularly helpful.
Age discrimination isn't that terrible; as for 42 year olds, I see no problem, although I think people can earn a lot more teaching mathematics than they can teaching English. You can of course find jobs where you can teach both. |
Thanks Coledavis, I had no idea that they'd let me teach math abroad. Just curious, why would they need to import a math teacher? |
There is a shortage of maths teachers in the UK. I would be surprised if this wasn't the case elsewhere. I've certainly seen ads where they have wanted people who could do both. Don't write off your maths! |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: a survey on age |
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| wckusa wrote: |
| coledavis wrote: |
| Hero3128 wrote: |
| Wow, I didn't realize age discrimination was a problem. What do you suggest for a 42-year-old former college math professor? I was hoping for Hong Kong or Sinagapore. |
Please note that while the poll's sample is a grand total of 8 people (one person = 14%), this gives no indication of how many people think there is a discrimination problem. It just recommends countries which may be particularly helpful.
Age discrimination isn't that terrible; as for 42 year olds, I see no problem, although I think people can earn a lot more teaching mathematics than they can teaching English. You can of course find jobs where you can teach both. |
I keep running across people in forums who state that age is a big deal. It is good to find you haven't encountered it. I came across this survey online and, while I have no idea how valid the findings are, I would like to get feedback. It breaks age limits down country by country: http://www.internationalschoolsreview.com/nonmembers/age-article.htm |
It looks quite positive. Do note however that schools themselves also have opinions on age, but even then, it's not always negative. I started working abroad in my early 50s. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I had no idea that they'd let me teach math abroad. Just curious, why would they need to import a math teacher? |
Think international schools, where most of the kids are returnees or even non-locals. Military bases need regular subject teachers, too. |
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wckusa
Joined: 01 Oct 2010
Posts: 16
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:27 am Post subject: back on point |
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Please move the math discussion to another forum. I would appreciate getting more feedback on an edited down version of my original questions:
A little about me: 57 (will be 58 before I make the jump overseas), most people think I'm 44 to 51 so in decent shape, MBA, background in high-tech marketing and will get a certificate.
My goal - get a job with a reputable company where I can live decently (not in luxury) and save 500 or 1000 a month.
So far, it seems like the only countries that hire someone my age who isn't a teacher are rather limited. Mexico seems like a popular suggestion but from what I have read it is hard to make ends meet at an instructor let alone save money. Correct?
So, the questions I would greatly appreciate some help with:
1. What country do you think would make the most sense?
2. Is there any way to use my MBA to my advantage?
3. Forgetting the finances, what is the most enjoyable place to teach at my age?
Thanks! |
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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 3110
Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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In the two jobs I've left in the last couple of years, I was replaced by people who were over 60. (One 63, one 69)
I want to stress- it was probably unusual in the second case. It is hard, in most places, to find good work when you're 69. Many would say it isn't the age to start something new- but even at an age most people consider to be past retirement age, you can work if you have experience and ability!
42 is totally not an issue, anywhere I've been. When you get towards 60, some, though not all, overseas employers will wonder if your age will make you less adaptable to overseas life. When you get over 60, you start bumping against mandatory retirement in some places. But I've never worked anywhere that early forties would raise an eyebrow.
I'll soon turn 37, and am much more in demand than I was 10 years ago. I anticipate this trend continuing for at least another 10 to 15 years, but if my colleagues are anything to go by, 20 to 25 more years of increasing employability is very possible!
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wckusa
Joined: 01 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Trullinger wrote: |
In the two jobs I've left in the last couple of years, I was replaced by people who were over 60. (One 63, one 69)
I want to stress- it was probably unusual in the second case. It is hard, in most places, to find good work when you're 69. Many would say it isn't the age to start something new- but even at an age most people consider to be past retirement age, you can work if you have experience and ability!
42 is totally not an issue, anywhere I've been. When you get towards 60, some, though not all, overseas employers will wonder if your age will make you less adaptable to overseas life. When you get over 60, you start bumping against mandatory retirement in some places. But I've never worked anywhere that early forties would raise an eyebrow.
I'll soon turn 37, and am much more in demand than I was 10 years ago. I anticipate this trend continuing for at least another 10 to 15 years, but if my colleagues are anything to go by, 20 to 25 more years of increasing employability is very possible!
Best,
Justin |
Justin, thanks for the feedback. Where were you working (city, country) when you were replaced by older workers?
Were they decent jobs or the type where they will take anyone (no offense intended).
From what I've read about age, it seems quite a few countries (especially in Asia) have a mandatory retirement at 60 including S. Korea. |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I've been in decent jobs, some competitive, all requiring qualifications, in my 50s. Russia and England in my case. |
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wallkirk
Joined: 03 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for all the good advice. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
Posts: 9041
Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: Re: back on point |
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So far, it seems like the only countries that hire someone my age who isn't a teacher are rather limited. Mexico seems like a popular suggestion but from what I have read it is hard to make ends meet at an instructor let alone save money. Correct?
So, the questions I would greatly appreciate some help with:
1. What country do you think would make the most sense?
2. Is there any way to use my MBA to my advantage?
3. Forgetting the finances, what is the most enjoyable place to teach at my age?
Thanks! |
Mexico and China seem good. You could get a retirement visa in some countries pretty easily, such as Thailand and teach a bit on the side.
Have you tried applying to jobs?
I think that with an MBA, you should look into the NCUK in China, you could get a job there, if you have EAP experience, and the MBA might help espeically if you've done some training. They pay VERY well as well.
As to the 3rd question, I can't answer that, I think it's very personal,, what one person may like another may hate. |
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sojourner
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 738
Location: nice, friendly, easy-going (ALL) Peoples' Republic of China
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| Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Check out the following thread.In particular, my posts re the teaching of Business English, Management, etc : http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=84898 .
Re Thailand, NG mentioned that it would be possible to do some teaching whilst residing there on a "retirement visa".I could be wrong, but I don't think that the regulations allow for such visa holders to engage in paid work. Anyway, check out my response to the recent thread to the General Asia forum re permanent residency possibilities in Asia.
NG, what does NCUK stand for ?
Peter |
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