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Professor



Joined: 22 May 2009
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: Stay Home...for now Reply with quote

Newbies, perhaps now isn't a good time to come to Mexico City to teach EFL. It's possible that the market (at least here in Mexico City) is saturated with 'teachers' and schools that you may have a very hard time making enough money to even eat and pay rent for the LONG TERM.
You always hear that you need to come here with some money until you get going. You also need to make sure that you have enough money to go back to your country and have enough to hold you over THERE as well until you can get a job.
Here in Mexico City there are language schools on almost every corner, others trying to make it independently and still others who will hire newbies to travel across the city to work for them. All of these situations are saturating the EFL market here in Mexico City and making it hard to have a stable, long term living wage.
Just make sure if you do come to the DF that you have enough money to take care of yourself while here and have enough to go home in case it gets bad here. Just trying to help you newbies who are considering Mexico City.
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Tretyakovskii



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Location: Cancun, Mexico

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of people come to Mexico and, through a combination of skill and a little good luck, make a go of it; but, and I've mentioned this before, I found Mexico to be the hardest market to crack of any I've tried.

In Cancun, there's plenty of teachers who are scrounging for hours, and working several different places, in an effort to put a living together. On top of that, the hourly rate is, typically, not very high, adding to the challenge they face.
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mejms



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Newbies, perhaps now isn't a good time to come to Mexico City to teach EFL. It's possible that the market (at least here in Mexico City) is saturated with 'teachers' and schools that you may have a very hard time making enough money to even eat and pay rent for the LONG TERM.
You always hear that you need to come here with some money until you get going. You also need to make sure that you have enough money to go back to your country and have enough to hold you over THERE as well until you can get a job.
Here in Mexico City there are language schools on almost every corner, others trying to make it independently and still others who will hire newbies to travel across the city to work for them. All of these situations are saturating the EFL market here in Mexico City and making it hard to have a stable, long term living wage.
Just make sure if you do come to the DF that you have enough money to take care of yourself while here and have enough to go home in case it gets bad here. Just trying to help you newbies who are considering Mexico City.


Again?

I don't think the work situation in EFL is any different now than from what it's been for awhile. Do you?
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Professor



Joined: 22 May 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tretyakovskii wrote:
I found Mexico to be the hardest market to crack of any I've tried.


Shocked

Why do you think that is??? Just curious.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In Cancun, there's plenty of teachers who are scrounging for hours, and working several different places, in an effort to put a living together. On top of that, the hourly rate is, typically, not very high, adding to the challenge they face.


Cancun has always been a challenge has it not, especially when the weather turns cold al norte?

Mexico City will be on the downswing for jobs as we approach the Christmas season and not back up again until early January.

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I don't think the work situation in EFL is any different now than from what it's been for awhile. Do you?


Seems the same to me...I've been getting calls regularly from business-English schools asking about filling hours. As for stable, long term education jobs, those start in August with the start of the school year. The international schools will hold their job fairs in late January and early February for the next school year.
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Professor



Joined: 22 May 2009
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tretyakovskii wrote:

In Cancun, there's plenty of teachers who are scrounging for hours, and working several different places, in an effort to put a living together. On top of that, the hourly rate is, typically, not very high, adding to the challenge they face.


Unbelievable! Shocked

So the market isn't too good now in Cancun either?? Any ideas why?? just curious.
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Professor



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mejms wrote:

I don't think the work situation in EFL is any different now than from what it's been for awhile. Do you?


It's very different. The market is saturated here in Mexico City which makes the salaries stay the same or go down. It also is making it harder to really get ahead in EFL. I forgot who posted it now but look at the situation in Cancun as well.
Teachers having to work in several places JUST TO MAKE ENDS MEET. Not a good time for EFL.
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Professor



Joined: 22 May 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbies, wait until things start to pick up in the States and then come here for one or two years before you go back to the States for graduate school. Cool
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TeresaLopez



Joined: 18 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mejms wrote:


Again?

I don't think the work situation in EFL is any different now than from what it's been for awhile. Do you?


No, I don�t. I still have as many classes as I want, and still occasionally turn down a class. While I think it is a good idea to have savings, that is true anywhere.
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Professor



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TeresaLopez wrote:

No, I don�t. I still have as many classes as I want, and still occasionally turn down a class.


I used to have to do that as well but my how things change. Make sure you put some back or have a spouse with a real...good income to help you during those times when the classes dry up and believe me those times do happen from time to time. If you have no spouse, parent or other to help during the down times you could be in trouble people. Just giving helpful information to all of the newbies.
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Professor



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A person will get tired of traveling all over the huge city with no benefits after a while. They will want to have a better income eventually. Traveling to a class, giving it and then going home...all taking half a day or longer and one only receives 12 to 15 bucks just doesn't cut it long term. Rolling Eyes
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TeresaLopez



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor wrote:
A person will get tired of traveling all over the huge city with no benefits after a while. They will want to have a better income eventually. Traveling to a class, giving it and then going home...all taking half a day or longer and one only receives 12 to 15 bucks just doesn't cut it long term. Rolling Eyes


Working two hours a day you will earn as much as a lot of people earn working 8 or 9 hours. I think the problem for a lot of people is that they translate everything to dollars and feel they aren�t earning enough money without comparing what they are earning to what Mexicans with comparable incomes earn. It�s apples and oranges. You aren�t going to earn what you would earn in another country, because you aren�t IN another country. My husband earns roughly what I do, or a little less, but his business is far more up and down than my teaching schedule, something that is also true for a lot of people. As well, in both Mexico and the US there are loads of people without benefits, the biggest difference being that in Mexico a lot of things that benefits cover in the US are far more accessible price wise in Mexico, medical costs, for example. I can honestly say I have never had a lean period in all the years I have been teaching, except by choice. Maybe I am just extraordinarily lucky, but I know at least 10 long term teachers who are doing OK as well.
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Prof.Gringo



Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:17 pm    Post subject: Another Great Job! Reply with quote

Here's the copy from a current ad for an English Teacher in Mexico City:

"Requisitos:
Sexo: indistinto
Edad: de 23 a 37 a�os
Escolaridad: preparatoria mas Teachers o nivel avanzado de ingl�s
Experiencia: un a�o como docente en centros de ense�anza del idioma ingl�s, manejo de grupo, realizar la planeci�n de cursos, monitorear y documentar el desarrollo de cada alumno.
Laboprar: lunes a s�bado de 9 a 7 pm con dos horas de comida
Ofrecemos: sueldo de $8000 mensulales + prestaciones de ley y superiores.
"

So that's a job that pays $8,000 pesos per month (deduct taxes) for working Mon-Sat 9AM-7PM. Forget any other classes or job with that.

Also forget if you're 22 or 38 years old. You might be the best teacher, but not at those ages.

I decided to call, just as a lark. The contact person/HR manager speaks NO English and they want English teachers with an excellent level of Spanish and command of Spanish grammar.

So I guess it's not a gig for those new in Mexico with limited Spanish skills.

So we are talking about a full-time job, 6 days a week that pays, maybe $6,500 after taxes and that requires teachers to have an excellent command of Spanish.

I think I'll take a pass.
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Professor



Joined: 22 May 2009
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent post prof. Gringo. I'm not thinking in dollars, I'm thinking that a job needs to pay enough for a person to at least SURVIVE and a perfect example of the EFL market and why it's getting worse was just posted by Prof. Gringo. The sad salary Prof. Gringo commented on is an example of the EFL market being saturated in Mexico City.
After taxes 6,500 plus rent, food and POSSIBLY entertainment...where is there ANY secuity in that?? My friend working at Target does much better and doesn't have much stress.
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Professor



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Great Job! Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:

So we are talking about a full-time job, 6 days a week that pays, maybe $6,500 after taxes and that requires teachers to have an excellent command of Spanish.


Rolling Eyes
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