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BellaBrunei



Joined: 20 Aug 2009
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Location: Brunei

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:06 am    Post subject: Downer Reply with quote

That's a bit of a downer. It might be worth contacting Cfbt to ask about the reasons. It could be something beyond your control, like they have more applicants than positions right now (I think this is true for primary, but not sure about secondary). Do seek feedback- maybe there is a fixable reason.
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Prog Rocker



Joined: 07 Sep 2010
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Location: SE Asia

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was secondary I went for. I'm pretty sure there are gaps to fill. As for the reason, I was told in interview that the MoE do not give reasons. Having had approval from CfBT, it's puzzling to then be turned down if there is a need. It's a shame because it was such a long application process, to fall flat at the end. We were just about to reserve a date for shipping as well!

CfBT have been great every step of the way, perhaps they are as surprised as I am. It's encouraging to know that people have secured employment after re-applying. Catch 22 though - I don't know whether I can, because I don't know the reason!
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BellaBrunei



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the MOE should be renamed as the Ministry of Mysteries....... Confused
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vicpark



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:17 am    Post subject: Re: also denied! Reply with quote

[quote="Prog Rocker"]

The thing is, as I have absolutely no idea why it was turned down

This is pretty standard. We are kept in the dark about most things including the future. CfBT have said nothing about the contract for next year and beyond. This was supposed to be settled months ago and was expected to be for five years. If the rumour-mill is to believed things are in flux. There is also a claim that the program will be full in January as the sinking ships of Ireland/UK goes down.
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ozman



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't they also have an age limit? Maybe this is one of the reasons they can't get enough qualified teachers.
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Prog Rocker



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I read somewhere it was 27, but I could be wrong. Certainly wouldn't have been an issue for my application. It was 'accreditation' in my case, whatever that means... Shocked
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celtica



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were your qualifications, or part of, completed through distance learning? I believe there is a certain amount of suspicion attached to quals thru distance.

But might just be another Brunei rumour!
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Prog Rocker



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't do any distance learning. It might be because my first degree was Engineering, and not Arts/Humanities - though the criteria only says "preferably". Having said all that, my PGCE was 'work-based'...but all the academic stuff was done at the Uni in classes, not at home. No straws left to clutch, really - just trying to find another way in now!
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jsteventon



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:40 am    Post subject: Re: also denied! Reply with quote

[quote="vicpark"][quote="Prog Rocker"]

'CfBT have said nothing about the contract for next year and beyond. This was supposed to be settled months ago and was expected to be for five years. '

Good news!! Just heard the CfBT contract in Brunei has been extended for the next 5 years.

JS Very Happy
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Prog Rocker



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is good news for CfBT.

Has anyone heard of 'Footprints'? They are advertising on Dave's, and use similar wording CfBT use for their teaching vacancies in Brunei. From what I can see, it's exactly the same deal only a different name.
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zootalaws



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are an agency - I think my wife made her initial contact through them via an ad in the TES.
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zootalaws



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prog Rocker wrote:
I didn't do any distance learning. It might be because my first degree was Engineering, and not Arts/Humanities - though the criteria only says "preferably". Having said all that, my PGCE was 'work-based'...but all the academic stuff was done at the Uni in classes, not at home. No straws left to clutch, really - just trying to find another way in now!


My wife went through a very mystifying and long process to get her position with CfBT.

Completed paperwork only to be asked for more paperwork and then more paperwork.

They even went back to her Uni qualifications and wanted detailed marks on individual papers, a full description from the Uni about the course content, etc. And of course this was really easy some decades after the event!

Luckily... her degree was a two-parter - a BA from a conventional uni followed by a further diploma in education gained at a Teachers College (as they are known in NZ) and the Teachers College had been assimilated into the same Uni, at which time they had a massive effort to completely digitise the old records. the diploma was then 'uplifted' to a UK qualification (which I can't recall the nature of) so she had a lot of paperwork from only 10 or so years ago.

While it was a PITA to keep going back for more, the Uni were very accomodating and had everything at their fingertips.

There were a number of times that we thought it was all going to fall apart, only to be suddenly surprised with a start date.

I think the vagaries of the MoE are such that depending on who your 'handler' is can dictate how diligent they are at completing your application.

It seems that the main criteria are: Current teacher, preferably UK qualifications, degreed, 'good character', good references, full paperwork on all qualifications.

Apparently the MoE has been burned by some shoddy paperwork in the past and now are extremely pernickety about all the I's being dotted and the T's crossed.

The government also changed the system in around Oct 2010 to require an individual work permit request, prior to that CfBT had a generic one that covered all their staff - this has caused a significant headache and may have contributed to your application being turned down.

I would try again - this place doesn't suit everyone and getting in in the middle of a term (after someone leaves 'suddenly' may give you a better chance than when lumped in with a couple of hundred other applicants.

There is a new intake of teachers started this week - around 20 or so - to take up the positions vacated by those leaving at the end of last year, but you never know...

And one thing you will learn very quickly when you get here and find your frustration level climbing with the amount and nature of bureaucracy - there is a phrase that becomes the catch-all of 'why the heck do they do things that way' - T.I.B. - "This is Brunei' Smile

No-one ever got in trouble by making more paperwork in this country... The place runs on little pieces of paper.
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BOBBYSUE



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about your problems Prog Rocker. I hope you get here or somewhere equally nice. I'm not sure if the idea that you should preferably be UK qualified is 100% correct - there are plenty of Kiwis and Ozzies here, with more and more Canucks coming recently too. A number of Irish as well. So you're OK as long as you're from one of those countries. And there is bureaucracy but if you've ever lived and worked anywhere else abroad it is no worse...and actually often better as CfBT tends to sort out a lot of stuff you would normally face by yourself. And having taught foreign students at home I can tell you that it is absolutely no better being a foreigner there...even to open a bank account requires about six different documents ('money laundering legislation'). A total nightmare but not exactly surprising when you think where Brunei and some other countries got their bureaucracy from in the first place! I do agree with Zoota that frustration levels can rise when you are not as on top of things as you can be at home. But there are many many benefits to being here too. You can still talk face to face to a bank manager when you need to, you can go right into the centre of town and park for free, basics like rice and fuel are heavily subsidised and there are no income tax or social security payments! Plus no aggression on the streets and very little crime. There are quite a few mozzies and sandflies but other than that, I think it is paradise!
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jsteventon



Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:22 am    Post subject: Brunei Reply with quote

Well said Bobby Sue! Agree with you on all counts....

JS Very Happy
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Kornan DeKobb



Joined: 24 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solar Strength wrote:
I have no idea what you're talking about when you write:

A'level
O'level
6th Form
Reception

I'm from america and none of these terms make sense at all.

Ditto.

Can Americans even get hired in Brunei?
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