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I'm With Stupid
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| So for the programs in VN, a CELTA certification is the norm? Not TEFL/TESOL or any others? |
There's one that does the TESOL, I think. It starts in Cambodia though, then the second 2 weeks are in Vietnam. It's a little bit more expensive though. |
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Captain Willard
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From what I've seen here so far, edutainment seems to be the name of the game. Get a book on games to use for ESL and talk about games in your interviews.
They should just create a certificate for edutainment and be done with the matter.
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DNK
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Why do you suppose that is? |
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BrentBlack
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And Apollo are good because they're part of International House, which means you can transfer to any other IH school in the world, and still get contract renewal bonuses. And I believe you can do other courses (CELTYL, etc) at any other centre in the world and still get your staff discount. |
I am not sure this is entirely true. If you are American, I do not think you can be easily transferred to an IH affiliate in Europe, as an EU passport in required to work there, unless you have special dispensation or skill that all the other English speakers in Europe do not have, which is doubtful. Otherwise, I would be in Hungary right now, and I have family in the Hungarian government. |
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tmai
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So for the programs in VN, a CELTA certification is the norm? Not TEFL/TESOL or any others?
So what I'm getting is, it's very unlikely for me to being the process of getting a position while here in the states - is that about right? I pretty much have to just head right on over to VN and settle in and start looking around for a company to hire me and go through training for a few weeks/months and then sign a 12month contract at a school?
What's the time frame/initial cost (flight, housing, training, etc) look like from actually leaving the states up until signing a contract? |
Quote bump to see if anyone can answer this for me xD
What is the normal route people usually take when wanting to teach in VN? Or rather, the most popular/least-hectic/traditional route? |
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northway1
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For those who know what they're talking about:
What's the situation with work on the side in Vietnam if you get a school to sponsor your work permit? Are privates legit, an unenforced grey area, or something you should avoid? Can you legally work at a second school once one school has sponsored you? I'm currently in Korea where privates are inadvisable (though common) and picking up work at a second school is borderline crazy. I was just wondering what kind of work on the side might be legal and/or available. |
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snollygoster
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:11 am Post subject: Work on the side |
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You can work for as many employers as you like, but your primary emplyer (presumably the one who got the WP) expects to be given preference, and rightly so.
Privates? As many as you like- no restrictions, and the government don't care. |
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jski
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I WANT TO KNOW THIS TOO! if anyone can hook up some answers that would much much appreciated. Trying to figure out if I should fly into VN, where I should get certified, and where to teach for 6 months. Tryin to head over in Jan 2011, want to have an idea of how many USD to bring etc.
Thanks
tmai wrote:
So for the programs in VN, a CELTA certification is the norm? Not TEFL/TESOL or any others?
So what I'm getting is, it's very unlikely for me to being the process of getting a position while here in the states - is that about right? I pretty much have to just head right on over to VN and settle in and start looking around for a company to hire me and go through training for a few weeks/months and then sign a 12month contract at a school?
What's the time frame/initial cost (flight, housing, training, etc) look like from actually leaving the states up until signing a contract?
Quote bump to see if anyone can answer this for me xD |
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snollygoster
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:38 am Post subject: Certification |
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From the coal-face of working and hiring-firing- The most accepted certification is TESOL because of its activity based teaching method.
Schools generally know that teachers who have TESOL are "class-room" ready and not just filled with theory.
Some wont like this observation, but thats simply how life is.
Getting a job here whilst in the states? Forget it- Hirers have wasted so much time on wanna be arm-chair travellers that they are unlikely to committ unless you are here- Suggestion- contact by e-mail, and follow up on the ground when here.
Time frame? You would probably have a job within a week of arrival if you knock on doors and have the right "tickets"- TESOL and degree.
Contracts? Some sign them some dont- The biggies- Apollo, ILA, Language Link, VATC, Cleverlearn like to have contracts, a lot of smaller ones (Mom and pop schools) dont usually bother.
Bring (or have access to) $2000 to survive the first month and maybe more. Pay day is usually at the end of the month so it could be 30 days working without an income, and maybe a week looking and evaluating your options. |
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shanewarne
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[quote="jski"] Tryin to head over in Jan 2011, want to have an idea of how many USD to bring etc.
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Jan is probably the worst time of year to head over. Things generally tend to slow down and schools therefore, do less hiring. I would wait until after Tet holiday, maybe around March. Thats when things start to pick up again. |
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tmai
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^I was actually going to head over around the same time, too - End of January to be exact. I figure it will give me time to situate myself and get comfortable a bit. I'll also get to experience the real deal Tet celebration  The states is nothing compared to it in VN as I've been told. Also, for those without certifications, it gives us time to take the course and by the time it's over, should be about hiring time, no?
I've been told if I get certified through certain programs and eventually get placed into a school with the same company, the certification course could be reimbursed a fair amount. |
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tefl peasant
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| ^I was actually going to head over around the same time, too - End of January to be exact. I figure it will give me time to situate myself and get comfortable a bit. |
You noted Tet, but be in mind that Tet starts on Feb. 7th this year, so you'll likely have 6-8 weeks of no work and/or little work.
Bring savings to live on. |
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I'm With Stupid
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| BrentBlack wrote: |
| I'm With Stupid wrote: |
And Apollo are good because they're part of International House, which means you can transfer to any other IH school in the world, and still get contract renewal bonuses. And I believe you can do other courses (CELTYL, etc) at any other centre in the world and still get your staff discount. |
I am not sure this is entirely true. If you are American, I do not think you can be easily transferred to an IH affiliate in Europe, as an EU passport in required to work there, unless you have special dispensation or skill that all the other English speakers in Europe do not have, which is doubtful. Otherwise, I would be in Hungary right now, and I have family in the Hungarian government. |
Well having the meet the immigration requirements of the country you want to work in goes without saying. |
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bingmayong
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| I'm With Stupid wrote: |
And Apollo are good because they're part of International House, which means you can transfer to any other IH school in the world, and still get contract renewal bonuses. And I believe you can do other courses (CELTYL, etc) at any other centre in the world and still get your staff discount
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A guy I met who transferred from one IH school to another said he just applied as an external candidate. The internal process is long winded as the paperwork has to go via London, and the school also has to pay for the teachers, so most of the time schools prefer not to use it. Without being an internal transfer, I doubt you would get all the renewal bonuses. |
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tmai
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| tefl peasant wrote: |
| tmai wrote: |
| ^I was actually going to head over around the same time, too - End of January to be exact. I figure it will give me time to situate myself and get comfortable a bit. |
You noted Tet, but be in mind that Tet starts on Feb. 7th this year, so you'll likely have 6-8 weeks of no work and/or little work.
Bring savings to live on. |
jup! 6+ weeks to do my training and free housing from family. |
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