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mrbuzz
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 Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: No degree, can I teach in China? |
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| I have wanted to move to China and teach English for several years but I was reluctant to leave my comfy government job. But I lost that job and now it makes my decision a little easier. But the big problem is that I don't have a degree. I have a TEFL certificate. I have been tutoring Chinese children in Vancouver part-time for almost ten years. (about 5000 hours) I am 51 years old, single, and really want to live in China. I am not picky about the city - I've been to China three times and love it. I would like to live in China for 5 to 10 years. From my research it seems that I can get a Z visa if I can get a job offer and Foreign Experts Cert. The bottom line is I need you experts to help me - can I work in China? |
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askiptochina
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You should check the age requirements. I am not sure if there is a cut off point. Right now, I am comfortable saying 55, but I honestly don't know. It could be 60.
If you can, it might be in your best interest to get a short term job offer to start with. Get an idea if this is something you really want.
It is one thing to volunteer at home, it's another to go to a foreign country and fully immerse yourself. Make sure it is something you want to do, and make sure the places you go to are where you want to work. China is a mixed country. Some areas are better than others. |
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johntpartee
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Yes. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Short answer:
Yes.
Long answer:
You can forget about working in any major city like Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, etc. There are recruiters that will hook you up, but you will be offered lower-end scale jobs with low salaries and long work hours. |
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seamallowance
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Location: Weishan, Jining, Shandong
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
Short answer:
Yes.
Long answer:
You can forget about working in any major city like Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, etc. There are recruiters that will hook you up, but you will be offered lower-end scale jobs with low salaries and long work hours. |
X2
My salary is 5,000 RMB, but my hours are not long. |
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mrbuzz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the info. Mr Great Wall of Whiner, I received your pm but I guess I can't reply because I don't have enough posts. Can you send me an email? I sent you one but it also didn't work.... |
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stawberryfields
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It's unfortunate. Please don't flood the market with technically unqualified personnel. The law requires a university degree. ANYONE who tells you differently is flat out delusional.
We all have enough problems find truly properly remuneration without unqualified people willing to come and take low paying jobs without legal qualifications - that's why they pay so low, because they know people (such as you) will take them and thus they have no motivation to improve conditions of payment and benefits. |
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mrbuzz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| stawberryfields wrote: |
It's unfortunate. Please don't flood the market with technically unqualified personnel. The law requires a university degree. ANYONE who tells you differently is flat out delusional.
We all have enough problems find truly properly remuneration without unqualified people willing to come and take low paying jobs without legal qualifications - that's why they pay so low, because they know people (such as you) will take them and thus they have no motivation to improve conditions of payment and benefits. |
"enough problems find truly properly renumeration"... I will take my chances with a lower paying job and leave the high-paying ones to the "technically" qualified. I love China and want to live there.
If an employer thinks that I'm qualified and I can complete the required paperwork why shouldn't I take the job? |
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7969
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if mr buzz manages to land a job, more power to him. the only nec. qualification for many of these oral english teaching jobs is to be alive and speak english. i've seen people with degrees that were disasters here and people with no degree that were excellent. and vice versa.
mr buzz, ignore the poser above you. |
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stawberryfields
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hilarious it is...
Resort to name calling
Sad really.
The legal qualification is holding a four-year degree. Look it up. |
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eclipse12
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
Short answer:
Yes.
Long answer:
You can forget about working in any major city like Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, etc. There are recruiters that will hook you up, but you will be offered lower-end scale jobs with low salaries and long work hours. |
The pay is certainly cheaper without a degree, especially in a larger city. But it's not too difficult to find a place with good part time hours so you can still have plenty of time to do random tutoring jobs on the side for better pay. |
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mrbuzz
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| stawberryfields wrote: |
The legal qualification is holding a four-year degree. Look it up. |
If the Chinese government gives me a Foreign Experts Certificate, a Z visa, and a Residence Permit, it sounds like I can work. Is it illegal? |
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samhouston
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| mrbuzz wrote: |
If the Chinese government gives me a Foreign Experts Certificate, a Z visa, and a Residence Permit, it sounds like I can work. Is it illegal? |
Could very well be illegal, yes. But you won't know unless you can read the Chinese printed in your FEC, or your employer screws up and actually answers your inquiries. I was issued all the goods from a school a couple years ago. It looked legit, but it wasn't. Sure, it was a real RP and FEC, or alien employment permit, or whatever it was. But it had nothing to do with the school. It was issued from a factory owned by a relative of the school's owner. Nothing happened, but in the unlikely event the cops come snooping, you could be screwed, even though you were under the impression that everything was on the up and up.
I say unlikely, but it happens. At my school now, my friend was issued credentials through a recruiter. It looks nice, but the cops didn't like it. They didn't like mine either. (Both of our FECs were issued in Beijing, but we work in Shanghai.) Anyway, after a couple weeks of nail biting, some red envelopes exchanged hands, we got our passports back and went back to work.
Funny thing is, the cops know that our RPs and FECs, while technically legally issued, were procured in an obvious roundabout flim-flam way. Especially mine. But the fine was paid, and that was that. Until next time. TI...uh, I forget the rest... |
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seamallowance
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Location: Weishan, Jining, Shandong
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| stawberryfields wrote: |
It's unfortunate. Please don't flood the market with technically unqualified personnel. The law requires a university degree. ANYONE who tells you differently is flat out delusional.
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Here is an example of one of your precious "qualified" people.
There are plenty of people without degrees who teach pretty well. There is certainly no shortage of "properly qualified" people who should never be allowed anywhere near a classroom. Stomping your feet and citing the law won't change anything. Live with it. |
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stawberryfields
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That quote doesn't say "qualified"
It states "technically unqualified"
Which means... having a university degree
Let's see you get a proper teaching job in the U.S. with no degree - a university? No. A public school? No. I corporation? No.
Face the facts. |
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