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[annifrid]

Hello Everyone,

This is the first time I have used Dave's ESL Cafe and it seems like a great source to find a job teaching English in another country. I would like to apply to some of these jobs but I was curious if all the jobs that are posted on this site are all from legitimate recruiting companies. Does Dave's ESL Cafe screen all the companies that post jobs on the site? If not, does anyone know of which recruiting companies to stay away from?

Thanks a bunch!
Anni

[elrasho]

I would like to know this as I've just started looking for a job

[tttompatz]

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Really, when it comes to a recruiter, who cares?

A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.

REPEAT: A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.

Hello Mr. English speaker this is Mr school owner/director/DOS.
Mr. school owner/director/DOS, this is Mr. English speaker.
Mr. English speaker, here is the contract. Please read and sign.
School, here is the signed contract. Pay me.
Good bye.

-You are not paying the recruiter anything (or you shouldn't be).
-THEY DO NOT WORK FOR YOU! - They work for the school.
-They owe you nothing once you get there.
-They are not your friend.
-They are not your baby sitter.
-They cannot help you if things go to *beep* after you get there.

Beyond that it is YOUR responsibility to check the school out.

Do NOT trust ANY recruiter. They are like used car salesmen. They will lie and sell their soul to get the signature on the contract. You walk onto their lot and look at what they have on offer. If there is something you see that you like you inquire further and make your own good judgment about whether or not to proceed with the purchase from there.

Do your own DUE DILIGENCE in regards to the school or get burned.

Use the recruiters for what they are; a bridge between you and an employer that you would otherwise be unable to find.

Use more than one and keep going until you find the job you want, in the location you want, with the benefits that you want.

There is no rush and there is certainly no shortage of jobs in ESL globally.

When it comes to the school - again - repeat - Do your own DUE DILIGENCE.

1st - READ the contract over very carefully. If that doesn't scare you away then...

The best you can do is minimize the risk by talking to MORE THAN ONE of the foreign staff and ask POINTED AND SPECIFIC QUESTIONS (*when the boss is NOT listening over their shoulder). Don't accept non-specific answers and broad generalizations.

No foreign staff references to talk (directly and via e-mail when the boss is NOT looking over their shoulder) to = walk away now.

Accept NO EXCUSES for any reason.

BIG NOTE HERE:

A recruiter is NOT an employment or dispatch or temp agency who sends you out to different jobs and charges a portion of your salary as a fee.

They are a head-hunter who finds an employee for an employee and once that is done they are out of the picture.


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[denise]

A very worthwhile answer, but not true in all cases--depends on the region.

In some jobs in the Gulf, for example (and I have seen LOTS of them listed recently--recruiters hiring for colleges--ads posted here at Dave's), the recruiter SHOULD act as a go-between, because if the school/government knows that a recruiter hired you--and of course they will know this--then they may very well wash their hands of you. It will be the recruiter who will find you your housing and then deal with landlords when problems arise, get you your visa, etc.

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