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ellecbee



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Business English opportunities Reply with quote

I'm looking for the best Biz English opportunities (cities) in China. Just finished a yr stint in Indonesia working in a language school and the business side, found I MUCH preferred the business side. I've been teaching for a couple of years now, but have a pretty extensive marketing background, so I'm a pretty good fit for business English.

Advice please!
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be forewarned that most of the "Business English" classes are basic oral English classes. You'll have students that run the spectrum from fluent to "can't say anything unless they've memorized it or are reading it". LOTS of places give their English classes "titles".
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godisasadjoke



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you view the jobs ads here and elsewhere, you will find tons of such jobs.

But, as another poster mentioned, that means nothing. The fact is, no students in China are capable of learning a subject, especially business from a purely English teaching method standpoint. You teach oral English with a focus on the concept of business regarding vocabulary, dialogues, etc.

You are NOT an actual business teacher
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ellecbee



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

godisasadjoke wrote:


The fact is, no students in China are capable of learning a subject, especially business from a purely English teaching method standpoint.


I wasn't asking about Chinese learning capabilities, if you read the question, I was asking where the best places to seek out the business sector were.

The answer posted previous to yours was more helpful in regards to pertinent information. I'm not looking for answers to unasked questions, if you have nothing helpful to add, keep trolling. Your gross generalizations about the Chinese aren't helpful.
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janeal



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: Business English Reply with quote

I taught for a year at a school in Zhengzhou, Henan called Shengda. I must say it was thoroughly enjoyable...but the pay was relatively low (RMB5500/mo). I taught english majors and their english skills were significantly better than the business english students. I frequently interacted with business english teachers (all FTs) and, like me, they really enjoyed it. so, I'd give Shengda a positive recommendation.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

godisasadjoke wrote:

The fact is, no students in China are capable of learning a subject, especially business from a purely English teaching method standpoint....

You are NOT an actual business teacher


I wonder if anyone has told that to my colleagues who teach business. They are not English teachers, no games, role plays, vocab lists, ect. The FTs in my program teach business in a purely English classroom. The students are not supplemented with equivalent Chinese lessons on how to pass some exam. In other words, this message fails to convey the whole of the Chinese education sector or to truthfully portray the ability of Chinese students.

To the OP, if you are looking for a class that is more of teaching English in business contexts, then as mentioned, it is easy to find these jobs.

If you want to teach straight business, in a subject such as marketing, I would suggest you look at collaborative programs between Chinese and British/American/Aussie/... universities. There are several around on the mainland.
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Mister Al



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

godisasadjoke wrote
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The fact is, no students in China are capable of learning a subject, especially business from a purely English teaching method standpoint....

You are NOT an actual business teacher


Er........I am.
I teach business subjects such as International Contract Law and Industrial Psychology in English as part of a study overseas preparation programme, so the statement above is a 'sad joke' Smile

Op, there are jobs like this out there and they are generally higher paying than oral/business English classes but are not that easy to find. Good luck.
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5h09un



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what do you mean? do you mean you want to teach courses like accounting, marketing, etc? you can do that here. it's hard to find positions like that, though, just because almost all of the ads you'll ever see are for english teaching positions. your best bet is to contact as many agents as possible. i actually spoke to one today who said she'll help me find a job teaching accounting and/or economics. send me a PM if you want her e-mail address.
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ellecbee



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the helpful information.

I guess I should have done a better job of being more specific.

In Indonesia I worked for a school that had a corporate side. I never set foot in the school unless I had to plan. My classes were always off site at banks, manufacturing companies etc. I was teaching English, but business related. I used Pearson Longman Market Leader text books. I taught writing classes, with the emphasis being content (i.e., proposals, itineraries) not necessarily grammar. My classes were broken up by level (thank god since that is not always the case), so the higher the level, the more emphasis on business and less on English, if that makes sense. My degree isn't in marketing, but I worked in it for many years, so I have good grasp of business. BUT - I am by no means an expert in marketing and would never try and tout myself as such.

For the record, I know that ESL markets vary WIDELY from country to country and what I am seeking may not even exist in China. That's what I am trying to figure out, so I appreciate the input.
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El Chupacabra



Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: Business English opportunities Reply with quote

ellecbee wrote:
I'm looking for the best Biz English opportunities (cities) in China. Just finished a yr stint in Indonesia working in a language school and the business side, found I MUCH preferred the business side. I've been teaching for a couple of years now, but have a pretty extensive marketing background, so I'm a pretty good fit for business English.

Advice please!


Move to a first-tier Chinese city with lots of international trade going on. Guangzhou, Shanghai, Beijing. You'll find all kinds of Business English opportunities, and even better a more open mind to innovative teaching methods. Additionally, you will find opportunities outside of the private schools, as tertiary institutions offer a business-track to English majors. In the lower-tier cities you may only find opportunities in the private schools, and if there isn't much international commerce going on your work may be less innovative, say prepping for the BEC.

I find my students love learning about marketing, BTW. And even though I'm in a uni, ten percent of my students want to become business owners. This minority demands quick, no-BS teaching from a business perspective. Come to a major city, and you will find motivated students.

If you come to Guangzhou, PM me.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walking straight in to making a living off business English in China may be too big a step.
Why not try ordinary college or uni work and then build up a portfolio of free time business clients?
At one stage I had a Saturday afternoon job at a US corporate plus one businessman by himself and also a couple who really just wanted to chill with a Westerner.
Network like mad and after say 6m ask yourself if the business side will support you.
The downside with corporate is the travel time compared to walking across campus to a classroom.
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