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darkcity



Joined: 23 Dec 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:10 am    Post subject: am I being too demanding? Reply with quote

The job hunt has been frustrating, at best.

About me:
26 years old
USA
1.5 years experience in Korea
CELTA
Willing to travel to Japan first and job hunt after (fortunately I have a few Japanese friends there). Ideal situation is to have something pre-arranged.

What I want:
In or around Tokyo/Osaka
Adults only
Money is not important, but enough to live

ECC sounded like the easiest option, but I'm not in SF at the moment, and it sounds like they've already done interviews.

I'm sure this question has been posed a few dozen times, but it's been quite difficult to find something suitable; if I'm being too picky, please slap some sense into me.
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Shonai Ben



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adults only is probably not possible.......most eikaiwas have kid's classes so unless you're willing to include them in your search you are going to have a harder time finding work.......it sucks but that's the way it is......
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ssjup81



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Location: Adachi-ku, Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not an expert on this subject, but maybe as far as location is concerned, you might be being a bit picky.
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shoegazer



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you just missed the ECC San Francisco interviews, which were last week, but you can still apply to their Toronto office any time of year, though you'd have to go out there to interview. Not to mention if you're not looking to work with kids, don't bother, even their interview entails a demo lesson geared toward very young children. However, there is a 2 in 3 chance that you'd get your location preference considering that they only do business in the greater regions of Tokyo/Osaka/Nagoya.
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Glenski



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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've decided that only Osaka and Tokyo are where you want to work. That's restrictive (not demanding) even though these are the biggest cities in Japan.

You only want to teach adults. Even more restrictive, and probably the only way you can do that is to have a business English agency hire you, or get on with a company (Toyota, Sony, etc.) that wants an in-house English teacher.

Salary will not be much of a problem as long as you turn down anything under 220,000 yen/month.

ECC does interviews in Japan, I believe. Kanto and Kansai area office are not hiring at the moment, but Nagoya office is. You can still leave a resume.
http://recruiting.ecc.co.jp/apply/index.html
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darkcity



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the input guys, that's what I needed to know.

Korea, here I come (again)!
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you not willing to open up a bit more?
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darkcity



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski --

Kids are out of the question. I know my capabilities, and managing kids is not one of them. Until now, I've socialized with someone under 10 a total of once. I'm the only child in a really small family and have never been exposed to children, quite frankly.

As for location, by "around" Tokyo, I meant Chiba, Yokohama, etc. I am not willing to work in the countryside, for starters, and I already have a solid group of Japanese friends in Saitama. I may consider other large cities if I become desperate, but it sounds like my unwillingness to work with children has already cut down 99% of the jobs I'm qualified for.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

darkcity wrote:
I am not willing to work in the countryside
May I ask why?

Benefits may include the following:

1. better chance to learn Japanese
2. better chance to discover "the real Japan"
3. lots of employers frown upon stubborn city-requesting types but will probably love you for taking on the rural locations
4. cheaper food in some situations


I'm not saying it's 100% good. Just bringing up positive points.


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and I already have a solid group of Japanese friends in Saitama.
Well, you're not going to see them very often if you live in Osaka, so why look at that area?

You're not going to have all that much time on your hands to visit friends in the early days, especially when you are getting used to daily live and surroundings, a new type of job, the routine of making lessons, etc.
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ssjup81



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In some cases, aren't rural areas cheaper as far as housing is concerned?
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jcook77



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If by "some," you mean "all," then yes. Anything outside of central Tokyo is cheaper by a long shot. I keep this in mind every time I visit Osaka and see apartments in a money location with no key money/deposit starting at 40,000 yen. Rural towns and whatnot are dirt-cheap and often quite large.
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darkcity



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[sigh] I think I will just bite the bullet. Either learn to like kids or live in the countryside.

Glenski is right that the countryside is a more immersive cultural experience. But I also met teachers who felt quite lonely and miserable.

Thanks for the input guys!

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Well, you're not going to see them very often if you live in Osaka, so why look at that area?


I also have a couple of friends in Osaka.
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

darkcity wrote:
Until now, I've socialized with someone under 10 a total of once.


Never had friends growing up? Confused
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benshi



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

darkcity wrote:
[sigh] I think I will just bite the bullet. Either learn to like kids or live in the countryside.


The country jobs will probably be kids as well. If you want a school that focuses on adults/business types, you will probably have to stick to the cities where, as has been pointed out numerous times, the competition is stiff these days, especially for folks with vanilla qualifications.

I think it's a mistake for you to try to "learn to like kids" if your heart isn't in it. Eitrher you do or you don't, and even if you were to get hired somewhere teaching kids it would probably be a miserable experience for both you and your poor students. Life is short-why bother? Hold out for what you really want to be doing.
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darkcity



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

benshi wrote:


I think it's a mistake for you to try to "learn to like kids" if your heart isn't in it. Eitrher you do or you don't, and even if you were to get hired somewhere teaching kids it would probably be a miserable experience for both you and your poor students. Life is short-why bother? Hold out for what you really want to be doing.


I would have to agree with this. I'm pretty awful with kids. Just the other day I was awkwardly playing Uno with my friend's 7 year old cousin and absolutely crushed her. I was so proud of myself but her mom was staring me down.

I've been looking at Shanghai. No shortage of jobs and lots and lots of adults. Low pay, but it'll hold me over for a year and maybe something will have changed in Japan by then.
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