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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is becoming clear to me that EFL is great as a hobby or as a second career, but not as a lifelong career.

So the best thing is to look for your best possible option, it might not be in Mexico.

As an example, I am on-track to get a pension when I hit 55 (with a minimum of 20 years of service) and receive $40,000 per year after that. Of course that is a non-EFL, US based pension.

There are some options in Mexico, and I feel that the main issue here is the Mexican banking regulations. Many other countries offer both nationals and foreigners (in many cases even as a tourist) bank accounts in both the local and foreign (US Greenbacks) currencies.

Funny, I tried to exchange a few US Greenbacks today and the bank told me my Passport Card isn't official ID... Rolling Eyes


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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor wrote:
MotherF wrote:
I have a Mexican AFORE, which since it started when I was 25, has a very nice little sum of money in it now. But as mentioned, that is at risk should there ever be another major devaluation of the peso.


So how does one go about protecting their savings here in Mexico from another possible devaluation?? It's hard to make money teaching EFL so one would want to protect their little nest egg I would think.


Real Estate. If you have enough money, sink it into some property. Once bought, the value might go up or down, but it's as safe as can be from another peso crash.

And speaking of a peso crash, that is always a very real possibility. For example back in 2008 the peso got as strong as 9 Mex Pesos to 1 USD. Just a few months later it was up to 16 MXN-1USD (It might have even touched 17 briefly, I am writing this from memory). That is what, an almost 50% fluctuation in the currency market? Not even an outright collapse. Some food for thought
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=MXN&view=5Y

Not that much movement beyond the jump from 10 to 13 in 2008.

The peso was about 8.50 to the dollar when I first got here during troubled economic times and the last devaluation had been in 94/95. Mexicans used to talk about el sexenio - where a devalutation would come with a change in PRI presidents. That pattern seems to be broken with PAN as nothing happened in 2000 or 2006. Still, anything goes...the world is in a currency war right now but the peso hasn't moved relative to the dollar.

Property is the best way to go I agree. We never experienced the housing bubble that the US did...slow and steady growth. Mortgage rats are hideously high here though as credit has never been cheap or particularly easy to get in Mexico.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=MXN&view=5Y

Not that much movement beyond the jump from 10 to 13 in 2008.

The peso was about 8.50 to the dollar when I first got here during troubled economic times and the last devaluation had been in 94/95. Mexicans used to talk about el sexenio - where a devalutation would come with a change in PRI presidents. That pattern seems to be broken with PAN as nothing happened in 2000 or 2006. Still, anything goes...the world is in a currency war right now but the peso hasn't moved relative to the dollar.

Property is the best way to go I agree. We never experienced the housing bubble that the US did...slow and steady growth. Mortgage rats are hideously high here though as credit has never been cheap or particularly easy to get in Mexico.


I checked out the link, I was thinking of the low to high from 2008-09 when the peso went from 9 and some change to over 15 and a half.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I think the Mexican government let it go then since they pretty much control what the peso is worth day to day, save for shocks. I think that 17 you refer to happened during the swine flu 'crisis' last year over the period of week or so before settling back to normal.
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We keep pretty close track. I don't recall it ever getting close to 17-1 here. I do remember it getting close to 15, without looking back, which we found amazingly high.
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Property is the best way to go I agree. We never experienced the housing bubble that the US did...slow and steady growth.

Same here, in Cancun, sales slowed and prices got soft but did not by any means collapse as they have in the U.S., with widespread 20-50% drops in prices.

The U.S. might be a better place to buy, now, if one has a long time horizon. Median home prices are approaching $100,000 USD, in many places, such as Tampa, Fl.

Have a look at this website, which allows you to get lots of details about many cities in the U.S., and gives updated home price info.

http://www.bestplaces.net/
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tretyakovskii wrote:
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Property is the best way to go I agree. We never experienced the housing bubble that the US did...slow and steady growth.

Same here, in Cancun, sales slowed and prices got soft but did not by any means collapse as they have in the U.S., with widespread 20-50% drops in prices.

The U.S. might be a better place to buy, now, if one has a long time horizon. Median home prices are approaching $100,000 USD, in many places, such as Tampa, Fl.

Have a look at this website, which allows you to get lots of details about many cities in the U.S., and gives updated home price info.

http://www.bestplaces.net/


I remember a small town about an hour outside of Des Moines IA and there was a small house in town for about $15,000. If a person wanted to commute for a job (and enjoys views of farmland and cornfields) such a place could be an option.

BTW does the link provided have any connection with the ESL Cafe(Perhaps Bert and Dave are related)?
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may have missed the essential point of my suggestion, Prof G.

I was talking about an investment with significant potential capital gains in mind- just the sort of thing people who are looking to retiring some years hence might take an interest in.

One of the frequent posters to Dave's has mentioned that he's bought five rental properties in the U.S., over the years, and intends to buy more, with his retirement in mind.

There's never been a better time to enter the U.S. market, all things considered.

We just bought a condo in Mexico for our home, but a place to live is not what this thread is about.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tretyakovskii wrote:
You may have missed the essential point of my suggestion, Prof G.

I was talking about an investment with significant potential capital gains in mind- just the sort of thing people who are looking to retiring some years hence might take an interest in.

One of the frequent posters to Dave's has mentioned that he's bought five rental properties in the U.S., over the years, and intends to buy more, with his retirement in mind. There's never been a better time to enter the U.S. market, all things considered.

We just bought a condo in Mexico for our home, but a place to live is not what this thread is about.


Sorry, I was thinking about what a EFL teacher with a typical income could afford to buy. I wonder how an average teacher could manage to buy 5 rental properties in the US?
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An average teacher couldn't do it: this guy has a plan, and great self-discipline when it comes to his finances. He's also worked in Korea and some other, better paying places, where saving significant amounts of money is a little more easily done. In addition, he's made use of credit which, in the U.S., can be significantly cheaper than in Mexico- especially now.

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Professor



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tretyakovskii wrote:
one of the frequent posters to Dave's has mentioned that he's bought five rental properties in the U.S., over the years, and intends to buy more, with his retirement in mind.


I'm a little curious as to how someone teaching EFL in Mexico could do that. Even when I was doing OK I didn't have the money to do THAT. Could you or this teacher please tell us how that is possible??
I would love to do it and it is a good idea, but how does one afford that?
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mexico is very nearly the lowest paying place I've worked, although I briefly hit my highest hourly rate ever, here.

Korea, and the middle eastern countries are those mentioned, most often, when the subject turns to making and saving money as a TEFLer. A friend of mine was offered $70,000 USD, plus housing and free trips home, in one of the later. It still wasn't enough to lure him away from SE Asia. Many people feel the same about Mexico.
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Professor



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the teacher you mentioned who bought five properties in the states got the money from working in the middle east or asia?? I'm really curious as to how someone could do that while only teaching EFL in Mexico.
Answer please. You got my curiosity up.
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof, have you met no one who owns their own place, here in Mexico, who is teaching English? Several of our posters have said they do, and it's probably easier to buy in the U.S., now, than it is here.
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