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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 2236
Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Right you are, Samantha! My classes were 'suspended' last month but, according to the head honcho, I am still on the books. And yes, they should have done this in September 2009, but because my former company always took care of things on time, I was stupid enough to believe this one would too. The expiry date in March 2010 would have been the case if I'd stayed with the first company.
In any case, I called the company about an hour ago and "offered to bring my own lawyer to a meeting". They immediately sent their lawyer to my house to talk to me. With his help, I was able to check the progress of the FM3 on line, and found that it has indeed in progress and should be finished by Friday. The lawyer gave me back my passport (Hooray!) and told me that the company had paid for my FM3 and the penalties because of the delay. It's been a long and worrying haul, and I still won't rest until I walk away from Migracion with my FM3 card in my own wallet!
(Oh, and the little man from ENOE who came to my house to fill out the form was indeed an official, but the whole thing was "routine" according to my own lawyer and friend. No deportation pending!)
Thanks to all of you for your sound advice, and especially to Prof Gringo who posted in the first place. It got me moving and being proactive about my situation. <<< A deep bow in your direction, Sir. >>> |
I am happy that I was able to help!
BTW ONLY agents of Mexico's National Migration Institute have the authority to check your immigration status and ask you for your dreaded papers...
If local cops or other govt. agents try to do so, it is most likely an attempt to get a bribe. Be polite, but be firm. REFUSE to give them any info (except for name, rank and serial #)  |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 2236
Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:44 am Post subject: Re: Immigration Lawsuit |
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"An Australian man has filed what activists said Tuesday is the first lawsuit by a migrant against Mexico's immigration service, arguing he suffered economic, psychological and other damages from being detained for more than four months with little explanation and in poor conditions."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101117/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_immigration_lawsuit
If any teachers in Mexico have overstayed their tourist visas, this might be a wake-up call to the possibility of being detained by INM (even if remote, it is a possibility). |
This guy overstayed his tourist visa by 6 years, so I'm surprised that he was able to fly under the wire of INM for so long  . |
I am not at all surprised. Esp. in Mexico City. I have never been asked for any papers in 6 years in Mexico.
Mexico's INM agents are mostly directed towards Latin American and Asian (esp. Chinese) migrants inside Mexico. Racial profiling is alive and well within Mexico's INM.
Check out the info below:
http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/page/Extranjeros_Alojados_y_Devueltos_01 |
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010
Posts: 1520
Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Immigration Lawsuit |
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| Isla Guapa wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
"An Australian man has filed what activists said Tuesday is the first lawsuit by a migrant against Mexico's immigration service, arguing he suffered economic, psychological and other damages from being detained for more than four months with little explanation and in poor conditions."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101117/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_immigration_lawsuit
If any teachers in Mexico have overstayed their tourist visas, this might be a wake-up call to the possibility of being detained by INM (even if remote, it is a possibility). |
This guy overstayed his tourist visa by 6 years, so I'm surprised that he was able to fly under the wire of INM for so long . |
I am not at all surprised. Esp. in Mexico City. I have never been asked for any papers in 6 years in Mexico.
Mexico's INM agents are mostly directed towards Latin American and Asian (esp. Chinese) migrants inside Mexico. Racial profiling is alive and well within Mexico's INM.
Point well taken, Prof. Gringo. I wonder what (or who) alerted the authorities to his presence in Acapulco. |
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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 9650
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| Point well taken, Prof. Gringo. I wonder what (or who) alerted the authorities to his presence in Acapulco. |
Jilted lover is my bet. I've only ever seen one other foreigner deported and it was just such a case. In Acapulco too, as chance would have it. |
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Samantha
Joined: 25 Oct 2003
Posts: 2038
Location: Mexican Riviera
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Some INM areas are more relaxed than others, but complaints (tips) ARE definitely followed up (so best keep papers in order) especially if you are visible and competing with Nationals for a job or with a business.
Deportation orders can result from things other than not having proper documentation. Don't ever underestimate the power of connections in this country. You really need to be a good citizen, and not participate in any shady business practices. That can land you in a heap of trouble. Don't publicly attack a Mexican or his business practices (read the Constitution), don't participate in protests, and generally don't step on anyone's toes. Because if you tick off the wrong person, it doesn't matter if you have your valid FMM. I've followed more than a few cases around the country, since living here, of people who have had to leave their assets behind, and run, in order to avoid being put away in a Mexican jail. Never underestimate the power of connections in this country. Understand the culture and it's distinct differences.
There are quite a few retired expats who keep a very low profile, while they live in Mexico without legal status. This might come as a shock, but they don't have much choice, since small pensions don't qualify for the minimum income required by INM to become legal. Those small pensions are still more than many Mexican families live on from month to month, so they are able to pull it off to make ends meet, albeit quietly. They pay their rents on time, shop locally, volunteer their time for charities, and are mostly good citizens. But they can't afford trips back home every 6 months for a new FMM document, so they "fly under the radar".
Here is one eye-opening situation that is still to be fully "played out". Scroll down to the bottom of her Home Page for this expat's message on what's happening to her currently. It gets updated from time to time. She has lived and worked in Mexico for more than a decade, yet is currently in hiding to avoid jail.
http://www.cozumelinsider.com/ |
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