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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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Also, comparing an English teacher and a receptionist is like comparing apples to oranges. And a secretary makes as much as a teacher, that is very telling.
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Isn't it, though  . It tells me how much esteem English teachers enjoy in some educational institutions in Mexico. |
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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:19 am Post subject: |
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I don't expect to make $4-6,000 USD per month in Mexico (which I can earn in the US) but I do expect to get things like cost of living raises, bonuses and the ability to have a career path.
I was making $9,000 pesos per month almost 6 long years ago, and that was cash in hand, at my first job as a teacher.
Also, comparing an English teacher and a receptionist is like comparing apples to oranges. And a secretary makes as much as a teacher, that is very telling. |
What is the career path you could take in the US to get you to 4-6k per month that would be an equivalent to what you're doing here, without a degree and needing no professional development? You've mentioned McDonald's in previous posts...is it that or some other orange to this apple? |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 2236
Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:38 am Post subject: |
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I don't expect to make $4-6,000 USD per month in Mexico (which I can earn in the US) but I do expect to get things like cost of living raises, bonuses and the ability to have a career path.
I was making $9,000 pesos per month almost 6 long years ago, and that was cash in hand, at my first job as a teacher.
Also, comparing an English teacher and a receptionist is like comparing apples to oranges. And a secretary makes as much as a teacher, that is very telling. |
What is the career path you could take in the US to get you to 4-6k per month that would be an equivalent to what you're doing here, without a degree and needing no professional development? You've mentioned McDonald's in previous posts...is it that or some other orange to this apple? |
Trust me, it's a whole other orange and it ain't fast-food.
Nope, I don't need no degree and I can work when and where I want.
I get good pay and I have a lotta fun as well.
I get to see the sights and I meet folks from all over.
20 year pension that I can retire at 55 on.
Few jobs can compare and it's my first and real career of course! |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
Posts: 449
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:46 am Post subject: |
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What is the career path you could take in the US to get you to 4-6k per month that would be an equivalent to what you're doing here, without a degree and needing no professional development? You've mentioned McDonald's in previous posts...is it that or some other orange to this apple? |
OUCH!!!  |
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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:00 am Post subject: |
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What is the career path you could take in the US to get you to 4-6k per month that would be an equivalent to what you're doing here, without a degree and needing no professional development? You've mentioned McDonald's in previous posts...is it that or some other orange to this apple? |
OUCH!!! |
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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:00 am Post subject: |
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I don't expect to make $4-6,000 USD per month in Mexico (which I can earn in the US) but I do expect to get things like cost of living raises, bonuses and the ability to have a career path.
I was making $9,000 pesos per month almost 6 long years ago, and that was cash in hand, at my first job as a teacher.
Also, comparing an English teacher and a receptionist is like comparing apples to oranges. And a secretary makes as much as a teacher, that is very telling. |
What is the career path you could take in the US to get you to 4-6k per month that would be an equivalent to what you're doing here, without a degree and needing no professional development? You've mentioned McDonald's in previous posts...is it that or some other orange to this apple? |
Trust me, it's a whole other orange and it ain't fast-food.
Nope, I don't need no degree and I can work when and where I want.
I get good pay and I have a lotta fun as well.
I get to see the sights and I meet folks from all over.
20 year pension that I can retire at 55 on.
Few jobs can compare and it's my first and real career of course! |
A secret...ok, I'll take your word for it. |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
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Location: Mexico City
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Nada.  |
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TeresaLopez
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
Posts: 601
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Also, comparing an English teacher and a receptionist is like comparing apples to oranges. And a secretary makes as much as a teacher, that is very telling.
As other posters have said there are careers that pay well above those salaries quoted above. I know people that make $35-40,000 pesos per month.
Again, I see no point in "professional development" and spending tons of my hard earned pesos to get some more cert's so I can make the same wages as 5 years ago.
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First of all I didn�t compare a receptionist to a teacher, I said LOTS of salaries are lower than in the US for similar jobs. For example, a receptionist in the US might make $10 an hour, but not here. By the same token, a teacher might make $30,000 US a year, but not her. Not a comparison, but rather an example of how wages in general are lower in Mexico across the board.
Yes, I am sure there are people that make $3500 pesos a month here, but so what. There are people in the US making $5,000 US a month too, but not as teachers, so it�s a moot point.
The fact of the matter is that teachers don�t make much money anywhere. I don�t know why it is a surprise to people that teachers don�t make much money here either. It�s a shame, too. I know some great teachers that are really worth much more than they earn, and I wish things were different but ther aren�t and I don�t know how going over the same topic over and over and over is going to change that, |
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Samantha
Joined: 25 Oct 2003
Posts: 2038
Location: Mexican Riviera
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Yikes, again with the moving avatars and my confused eyes trying to read the posts. Is it just me?
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| I don�t know how going over the same topic over and over and over is going to change that |
Exactly, all these comparisons between Mexico and the USA (or wherever) seem odd, since we all know that practically everything in Mexico is DIFFERENT than where we come from. That's why we are here. If the FAIL light comes on again and again, it's time to get out of Dodge. We all have options. It just isn't fun to keep reading this stuff over and over again. |
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jaimem-g
Joined: 21 May 2010
Posts: 85
Location: The Desert, CA
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:24 am Post subject: Pay in Mexico vs pay in the US |
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Teachers with with MAs and experience will easily make $60,000 or more annually in the US. Beginning salaries vary from state to state.
However, teaching ESL for adults is mainly part-time with no benefits, whether it's in community college or school district run adult ed programs. Private schools will probably pay even less.
Are the usually higher K-12 salaries justified? That's another discussion, but I can safely say that anyone who wants to teach ESL to students over 18 will find that they are not as highly valued as any high school or even kindergarten teacher. That's because of political priorities probably more than anything else.
Some of it is just perceptions, too.
My experience in Mexico is pretty limited, but I suspect that these factors are just as present or even more so in Mexico. Look at the comments in this thread alone. What would we want for ourselves or for our children?. Public classes, private language classes, private tutors or just what? |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
Posts: 449
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yikes, again with the moving avatars and my confused eyes trying to read the posts. Is it just me?
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You don't have to read my posts if you don't like my avatar. Problem solved oh wise one.  |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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If the FAIL light comes on again and again, it's time to get out of Dodge. |
It's not always the teacher who is the problem as many here want the newbies to think. The mentality of the people can and IS the problem a LOT of the time. Nothing to do with a lack of professional development or not having an engaging personality.The FAIL light comes on many times because a LOT of people here AREN'T MOTIVATED or just DON'T CARE to learn how to SPEAK English. So yea, sometimes people need to get out of dodge when the FAIL light comes on, but a LOT of the time it's NOT the fault of the TEACHER that that light keeps coming on. It the MENTALITY of the students. Nuf said. |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
Posts: 449
Location: Mexico City
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Yikes, again with the moving avatars and my confused eyes trying to read the posts. Is it just me?
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When was the last time you got your eyes checked? Perhaps you need a new prescription?? Just concerned.  |
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TeresaLopez
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
Posts: 601
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Pay in Mexico vs pay in the US |
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Teachers with with MAs and experience will easily make $60,000 or more annually in the US. Beginning salaries vary from state to state.
My experience in Mexico is pretty limited, but I suspect that these factors are just as present or even more so in Mexico. Look at the comments in this thread alone. What would we want for ourselves or for our children?. Public classes, private language classes, private tutors or just what? |
Teacher salaries vary wildly from place to place, but in Milwaukee, WI this is totally untrue, you HAVE to get a Master�s within 10 years, but you top out at $54,000 and that is after a Master�s plus 10 more years. And, if you go too far past a Master�s you will price yourself out of a job. Look at the salaries for teachers in the South, KY, TN, etc. you will NEVER reach $60,000, ever, as a teacher. And starting salaries for teachers in the US are really comparable to starting salaries in Mexico in terms of buying power, and that�s in public schools. In private, especially religious schools, pay is often far lower, in many Catholic schools it is little above minimun wage. When I taught in Catholic school in a suburb of Chicago 20 years ago my salary was low enough that I would have qualified for food stamps. So it isn�t a Mexico thing, it�s a teaching thing. Sure, as someone pointed out, there are places you can go to earn more money, if you choose, so why not go there, if money is the only objective instead of staying and bashing a place that for whatever reason hasn�t been good to you. |
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Enchilada Potosina
Joined: 03 Aug 2010
Posts: 344
Location: Mexico
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| [/b]The FAIL light comes on many times because a LOT of people here AREN'T MOTIVATED or just DON'T CARE to learn how to SPEAK English. So yea, sometimes people need to get out of dodge when the FAIL light comes on, but a LOT of the time it's NOT the fault of the TEACHER that that light keeps coming on. It the MENTALITY of the students. Nuf said. |
That mentality comes from the education system here. Who'd have thought it, education destroys learning! |
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