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naturegirl321
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| nickpellatt wrote: |
| Another thing to note, if you are considering China, many regions will insist on 2 years post degree work experience is required to qualify for a legal working visa. |
Do employers still get creative with the CVs if they like the teacher, but that teacher has less than 2 yaers experience? |
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Kiwi303
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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Location: Chong Qing Jiao Tong Da Xue, Xue Fu Da Dao, Nan An Qu, Chong Qing Shi, P. R China
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
Class doesn't affect it, it goes
no degree
BA
MA
PhD
That's it! 
SOME, very few places care about class, name of uni, etc, but for the most part, they couldn't be bothered. |
I wonder how they would react to the combination of a "50 hour" online TEFL which actually only takes 4 or 5 to skim through enough to scrape a bare pass, and a CreditCard-BA from one of those online colleges which hand out sheepskins in return for cash... You know the sort I'm sure, they ones where a typical enrollment call goes
"Hiya ma'am, cun I git ah degreeh?" (insert redneck, elementary school dropout accent of your choice)
"Of COURSE Sir!"
"But ah'm jist white trash frum a trahlar parhk. Ah Ain't nivver dun nuffin but live offn mah guvmint sicknus benafit."
"Does your credit card have $2000 clear on it before reaching it's limit sir."
"Yup!"
"Then you can get a degree Sir."
I'm sure there must be SOME out there somewhere teaching on that combination!
Or maybe I'm just a miserable cynic... |
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tttompatz
Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Kiwi303 wrote: |
| Or maybe I'm just a miserable cynic... |
Maybe...
I am sure there are a few out there like that but in my personal albeit limited experience I have found that any time immigration requires the degree for your visa or work permit that they often do take the time to check and ensure that it is indeed legitimate.
Korea is probably the most stringent example bachelors degree (from one of the "approved" 7 anglophone countries and NOT on a paper-mill list) with official sealed university transcripts AND either home country embassy certification or an apostille.
On the flip side is Thailand where you can buy a degree on the street for almost nothing (you wanted to be a Harvard grad didn't you?) and sometimes you can get away with it (sometimes you get caught and spend some time in an immigration detention cell).
Lots of places don't care (as far as immigration is concerned) about having a degree for your visa/work permits and then you don't have to worry about committing visa fraud - just be a good actor for your potential employer.
So bottom line - the grades don't matter - Just having the verifiable degree meets the requirements for most and exceeds the requirements for many (including most of Europe however most of Europe will want to see your CELTA and ensure that you have a European passport).
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coledavis
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with Naturegirl. To be more succinct, I would say that in TEFL the class of degree is rarely a factor. |
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wiganer
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:10 am Post subject: Re: How does your class of degree reflect your employability |
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| Quick question. I'm in the middle of my degree now. I'm realistically aiming for upper second class honours, however I'm of course aware of the fact that a grade isn't ever a sure thing, so how does getting say, a lower second class degree or even a third affect your chances of employment from experience? There have been news articles here in the UK for instance, stating that most employers do not consider applicants with anything less than an upper second to be worthy of further consideration. |
It means nothing, I know two people from my class of a linguistics/TEFL degree who got upper 2.1's. They were bright, intelligent and great students but when it actually came to going out there and teaching English - they lasted 3 and 5 months respectively. They couldn't hack it despite their excellent degrees.
The rest of the class I graduated with - a good three 3/4s haven't had the balls to go out and even to try to teach English. Why they bothered with the degree - God only knows.
A lot of people fantasize about doing this job and living abroad but it is only a certain individual who can do it without having to take the midnight shuttle home. Grades don't come into it one little bit. |
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coledavis
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| Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| If I was looking for clues for potential in a candidate's academic record, I would be encouraged to see very poor secondary school grades in learning foreign languages (assuming reasonable achievement elsewhere). It would suggest the possibility of empathy with EFL students. (One of the reasons why I think the UK governments current idea of getting high-flying mathematics graduates to teach the subject at secondary school is silly; how is a person who can 'feel' numbers going to explain mathematics to the average person at school?) |
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mimi_intheworld
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: UAE
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| Like everyone else has said, class of degree is irrelevant once you leave university. Unless you're going to the same (or "better") university for post-grad qualifications, really nobody looks at your degree class/GPA/whatev. |
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Trifaro
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:21 am Post subject: |
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"...A lot of people fantasize about doing this job and living abroad but it is only a certain individual who can do it without having to take the midnight shuttle home. Grades don't come into it one little bit."
I agree. |
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nickpellatt
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| nickpellatt wrote: |
| Another thing to note, if you are considering China, many regions will insist on 2 years post degree work experience is required to qualify for a legal working visa. |
Do employers still get creative with the CVs if they like the teacher, but that teacher has less than 2 yaers experience? |
I guess some do, not sure. Might be hard to do if you are just 21 though as the math just wouldnt stack up. I applied to Wall Street in Shenzhen earlier this year and they basically asked me to re-apply Dec 2011, as my degree was completed Dec 2009 and they couldnt arrange a legal visa for me until Dec 2011. It didnt feel like I was being brushed off as they were so informative etc during my contact with them. |
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