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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| NCTBA, a masters degree does not a good teacher make. I don't agree that teachers in other Gulf States, as you seem to be implying, are necessarily better than those in Saudi. It's just that they are usually easier places to live in. |
You drew a false implication. I wasn't referring to teaching ability, I wuz speaking to the fact, at least on my side of the pond and south of the border, a 1st degree gives you little to no insight into practical ESL/EFL.
Only, IMHO, after specializing...reading and understanding the research...being eclectic in approach to yer particular audience...and all the other bits that come with earning the MA, do I feel that teachers are effective in the ESL/EFL classroom.
Sure, I wuz observant what wuz happening in my classroom, but didn't have the tools available to me for an effective strategy to approaching a range of learning difficulties...not with the 1st degree. After studying my profession and learning effective strategies did I find myself better equipped to solve the myriad problems that I had previously helped or worsened due to lack of understanding of the problem being observed.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Then, I wuz hired by an increasing notorious college system in a country neighboring saudi and all that crap went out th' window when I suddenly realized that a 2nd degree in Child-care or Early Childhood Education would've been a more practical qualification... 
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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...and that was for being able to deal with management...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Au contraire, Ms Ments! Managing management requires proficiency in Special Education! |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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You fergot th' 
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Bebsi
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Sure, I wuz observant what wuz happening in my classroom, but didn't have the tools available to me for an effective strategy to approaching a range of learning difficulties...not with the 1st degree. After studying my profession and learning effective strategies did I find myself better equipped to solve the myriad problems that I had previously helped or worsened due to lack of understanding of the problem being observed. |
Ya know, NCTBA, I thought for a moment you were being serious, but then I read your next posting:
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| Then, I wuz hired by an increasing notorious college system in a country neighboring saudi and all that crap went out th' window when I suddenly realized that a 2nd degree in Child-care or Early Childhood Education would've been a more practical qualification... |
All joking aside, there are some pretty decent unis in the Gulf, such as KFUPM in Saudi, and surely, some of the government establishments at least, in other Gulf states. But yeah, I take your point.
But to my original point: just because the UAE or wherever is more likely to insist on an MA, doesn't necessarily make the institutions there any better. They can afford to be choosier, of course, and for the private institutions in particular, that means more window-dressing. The big divide in Gulf education, I believe, is not Saudi -v- Other States, but Public -v- Private. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Sure, I wuz observant what wuz happening in my classroom, but didn't have the tools available to me for an effective strategy to approaching a range of learning difficulties...not with the 1st degree. After studying my profession and learning effective strategies did I find myself better equipped to solve the myriad problems that I had previously helped or worsened due to lack of understanding of the problem being observed. |
Ya know, NCTBA, I thought for a moment you were being serious, |
Sigh...ya know, Bebsi, I wuz and those who both know me and know of me...know that I am a very dedicated professional (I'd say consummate, but I was sooo consummated by my last system, it hurts to think about it!) who is turned on by students who "get it" or are trying to get "it"...
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| but then I read your next posting: |
Then, I did a reality check and decided to double post...hoping against hope that the uninitiated will NOT come into this morass with high ideals and low-tolerance for bull$hit...
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| Then, I wuz hired by an increasing notorious college system in a country neighboring saudi and all that crap went out th' window when I suddenly realized that a 2nd degree in Child-care or Early Childhood Education would've been a more practical qualification... |
In reality, at the most notorious of the HCT system, the Foundations were called together and forced to smile and avoid good-naturedly jabbing each other in the side and winking when...and I SWEAR TO GOD, we were instructed to read to the Emirati ladies there as they found reading English boring and difficult. OMG...how much more are we to dumb them down?!? I got read to in grade school...but in a COLLEGE???
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| All joking aside, there are some pretty decent unis in the Gulf, such as KFUPM in Saudi, and surely, some of the government establishments at least, in other Gulf states. But yeah, I take your point. |
And, thus, the exception that proves the rule! Interestingly, you mention about the only serious institution save SQU or ZU that seem to have ANY semblance of credibility. KFUPM is the ONLY institution that I would allow to hire me. Not that I'm all that, but that KFUPM is!
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| But to my original point: just because the UAE or wherever is more likely to insist on an MA, doesn't necessarily make the institutions there any better. They can afford to be choosier, of course, and for the private institutions in particular, that means more window-dressing. The big divide in Gulf education, I believe, is not Saudi -v- Other States, but Public -v- Private. |
And my parry to your thrust is to restate that it is with the 2nd, specialized degree that one become much more effective in the EFL classroom...supposing that the person can teach in the first place...
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