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DosEquisX
Joined: 09 Dec 2010 Posts: 361
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:56 am Post subject: Nice cities outside of Shanghai and Beijing? |
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Pretty much everybody know about the two major cities of China, but I'd imagine that it would be tough to get a job there that allows you to save cash due to the higher cost of living. Plus, the competition for those jobs are higher.
Naturally, it would be easier to save and the competition would be lower in smaller cities due to the low interest from FTs and lower cost of living. But I don't want to be bored out of my mind in a smaller cities like I was elsewhere.
What places would you guys personally recommend to fit this category? |
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living&learning
Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 245
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Xiamen. |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 768 Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Xi'an. Although the salaries are fairly low. But a fun city if you're not bothered with pollution. |
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Old Surrender

Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 393 Location: The World's Largest Tobacco Factory
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Qingdao and Dalian. I might return to Dalian after my current contract is up. I'm also going to look into Qingdao.
Zhengzhou is a place to avoid. Bad air, gridlock traffic. The entire city has kind of a brown tint to it.
Keifeng, a smaller city in Henan, seems to be nice for its size. (about 700,000 people). Fun night market. Lot's of Chinese cultural stuff to take in.
In the end, though, what do you want from a city? That will help us help you pick one! |
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MisterButtkins
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Posts: 1221
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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living&learning wrote: |
Xiamen. |
Xiamen might be more competitive than Beijing and Shanghai and is possibly more expensive than Beijing. Seems like there are more posts asking how to get hired there than almost any other city. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Normally I would say Suzhou, but with all the road and subway construction these days, I say it's not a nice living area at the moment. The projection for completion is "sometime next year", but I wouldn't hold my breath. |
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DosEquisX
Joined: 09 Dec 2010 Posts: 361
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:48 am Post subject: |
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Old Surrender wrote: |
Qingdao and Dalian. I might return to Dalian after my current contract is up. I'm also going to look into Qingdao.
Zhengzhou is a place to avoid. Bad air, gridlock traffic. The entire city has kind of a brown tint to it.
Keifeng, a smaller city in Henan, seems to be nice for its size. (about 700,000 people). Fun night market. Lot's of Chinese cultural stuff to take in.
In the end, though, what do you want from a city? That will help us help you pick one! |
The key for me is to have a supportive foreigner base in the area while not having the city completely abandon its culture. A strong foreigner base is important to me because this would be my first year in China and loneliness would be very hard to deal with. I don't necessarily need to be in a bouncing nightlife (actually I really can't stand dance/night clubs). Just some friends to associate with when in China. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:05 am Post subject: |
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I'll just make a list of cities that I know of and let you pick at them:
Dongying, Shandong: Wealthy oil city, and has a large divide between rich and poor. Lots of foreigners (both friendly and non-friendly) but salaries tend to be on the lower side for such a wealthy city.
Qingdao, Shandong: A fair number of higher paying jobs but these are international schools and you'd be teaching regular classes mostly. Load of foreigners, and prices are a bit cheaper than say Beijing or Shanghai. nice in the summer.
Dalian, Liaoning: Lots of 'wai di ren' (economic migrants) who keep certain things like veggies cheaper in the market areas. These guys really know how to get value for their money. Dalian has a lot of foreigners, is a modern city, and you can easily find a job for over 10k a month there. Transportation is also good as their is rapid transit rail system.
Shenyang, Liaoning: Things are creeping up in prices there. Though lots of foreigners exist, they come in all sorts of various backgrounds. You can live cheaply there if you shop around.
Dandong, Liaoning:
Cheap items from North Korea can be found if you speak Korean which I imagine you can speak at least a little bit. Salaries are low though and the city is not really foreign friendly I found.
Panjin, Liaoning:
Same as Donying in Shandong as both are wealthy oil cities, except here you are able to get a decent salary. Things can be cheap if you know where to go. There is a small community of foreigners who keep in touch, and all are helpful, friendly and most speak near-fluent Chinese.
Yingkou, Liaoning:
You can find cheap things here, but salaries are at the low-end. A lot of the foreigners tend to keep to themselves.
Jinzhou, Liaoning:
Pretty much the same for Yingkou, except there are a lot of Affrican students here that pretend to study there then work in schools thus keeping the salaries lower than they should be.
Qiqihar, Heilongjiang:
A sizable foreign community, you will be mistaken for Russians. Winters are boring, though. The local foreign affairs officer at the police station can speak English but pretends she cannot. Her assistant can speak Korean and also pretends he cannot. A ruse?
Harbin, Heilongjiang:
Lots and lots of college and uni jobs here, also lots of private schools. Salaries tend to be low-ish, but there are lots of foreigners here. You will not be treated nicely at times, as people will often mistake you as Russian.
Changchun, Jilin:
Loads of foreigners here and there is a huge German and South Korean population living here. Salaries range from ridiculously low (4k a month) to the highest I saw was 11k in an international school teaching Korean kids. I personally like the city and would live there if a decent job comparable to the one I have now came along. |
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Old Surrender

Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Posts: 393 Location: The World's Largest Tobacco Factory
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:44 am Post subject: |
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The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
Dandong, Liaoning:
Cheap items from North Korea can be found if you speak Korean which I imagine you can speak at least a little bit. Salaries are low though and the city is not really foreign friendly I found.
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Dandong would be an interesting place for the OP to visit, considering the Korean influence and delicious (not to mention cheap) Korean vittles. You can get a bowl of bibimbop for 8 yuan!
OP: Would you like to live in a part of China that has a considerable amount of Korean influence or do you want to break free from the Land of the Morning Calm? |
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Trifaro
Joined: 10 Nov 2010 Posts: 152
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Zhuhai is nice. You can walk across the border to Macau, take a 70 minute ferry to either Hong Kong or Shekou and it has a good number of laowai for you to socialize with.
I noticed that BNU-Z is seeking help beginning next term. Contact Martin, but don't tell him I sent you. Do what they say and don't question anything though, unless you're free like me. |
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living&learning
Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 245
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Xiamen might be more competitive than Beijing and Shanghai and is possibly more expensive than Beijing. Seems like there are more posts asking how to get hired there than almost any other city. |
Probably is more competitive.
Price-wise, rent is cheaper (but not cheap), and you can be anywhere in the city within 20-30 minutes.
Eating out - cheapo restaurants all the way through to fine dining at the 5 star hotels and beach road seafood restaurants.
Salaries not great. I earn about 12-15k/month (uni job + IELTS).
Can be a bit parochial, but much better than big (Chinese) city living, for me at least. Well situated too - less than 2 hours to HK and Shanghai by air, or 8 hours by high speed rail, 2 hours to the Philippines, 3 hours to Bangkok. |
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Blingcosa

Joined: 17 May 2008 Posts: 146 Location: Guangdong
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Qingdao
Yantai
Dalian
Zhuhai
Yangshou
Kunming
Chengdu
Weihai
many many many others
Xiamen? I was keen on that place too, until I read a post on Daves (try to search for it - I can't be bothered) which said that Xiamen is the only city in China where he felt poor. Loads of wealthy locals and expats, overpriced etc. |
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living&learning
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Xiamen? I was keen on that place too, until I read a post on Daves (try to search for it - I can't be bothered) which said that Xiamen is the only city in China where he felt poor. Loads of wealthy locals and expats, overpriced etc. |
Utter BS - most everybody here is doing just fine. You let one subjective comment sway you? Earn 6k+/month in Xiamen and you're fine.. |
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MisterButtkins
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Posts: 1221
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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living&learning wrote: |
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Xiamen? I was keen on that place too, until I read a post on Daves (try to search for it - I can't be bothered) which said that Xiamen is the only city in China where he felt poor. Loads of wealthy locals and expats, overpriced etc. |
Utter BS - most everybody here is doing just fine. You let one subjective comment sway you? Earn 6k+/month in Xiamen and you're fine.. |
Yeah, that was me. Maybe it was just the people I was hanging out with, I was only there for like a week. But it was seriously like:
Foreigner 1: Hi, I own a bar.
Foreigner 2: Hi, I'm an engineer.
Foreigner 3: Hi, I own a bar. Oh, you're a teacher? Huh.
Chinese 1: I export polyresin goods. I'm 25 and I own an Audi.
Chinese 2: I'm also an exporter, I am 22 and also own a car.
Chinese 3: I answer emails for an American company. I make loads of money. Try this Long Island Iced Tea, it was only 75 kuai. Isn't it strong?
Me: Wtf? This only has like one shot of liquor in it!
Chinese 3: Oh, then have a beer, a Budweiser is 50 kuai.
Foreigner 4: I only make 40 000USD a year. When I go to the foreigner bars here I bring beer in because they are too expensive.
Foreigner 5: I'm an engineer. I don't use any Chinese cash less than 10 kuai. I throw everything less than that in a box.
Me: What do you do with the box?
Foreigner 5: I don't know.
Yes, all of these are things people actually said to me. I'm sure there are other English teachers in Xiamen somewhere who make normal salaries but I didn't run into them. It is a very nice, clean city by Chinese standards and I can certainly see why many people enjoy living there.
On second thought, maybe the reason I met so many rich people was that I didn't really do anything in Xiamen besides go barhopping and try to get laid w/ girls who spoke fluent English. |
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littlec
Joined: 15 Dec 2010 Posts: 16
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:14 pm Post subject: CLimate in Shenyang |
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[quote="The Great Wall of Whiner"]I'll just make a list of cities that I know of and let you pick at them:
[b]Shenyang, Liaoning:[/b] Things are creeping up in prices there. Though lots of foreigners exist, they come in all sorts of various backgrounds. You can live cheaply there if you shop around.
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I have a job in Shenyang starting next March but am really worried about the cold weather. Can you tell me how bad it is please - I've been living in the tropics for the past 7 years and not sure I can deal with really cold weather. |
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