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Prof.Gringo
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Seems like a lot of work to me for a potentially modest increase wouldn't it be better to do your modest job well, learn as you go and then leverage your knowledge, making yourself indispensible?
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There are risks in everything we do. A Masters doesn't mean one will get a better job but neither does trying to do better at a modest job. Making yourself indispensible???
Sorry,no such thing in the real world Phil.  |
Why all that effort? Just get to know a few well placed folks and you're be in before you know it. That is how it really works around here.
A Mexican friend of mine is a director of a SEP school and I have a relative that can get me an interview and meeting with La Maestra whenever I want it... |
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Professor
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I worked in a fresa colegio, one of the "elites" and I made $18,000 pesos per month. No degree. No cert beyond my generic TEFL.
I also know teachers that work the elite cream of the crop schools without a degree in education or even being native speakers.
Anything is possible in Mexican education. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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I worked in a fresa colegio, one of the "elites" and I made $18,000 pesos per month. No degree. No cert beyond my generic TEFL.
I also know teachers that work the elite cream of the crop schools without a degree in education or even being native speakers.
Anything is possible in Mexican education. |
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Wow, Prof, that's a great avatar!
Happy holidays to you too! |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Why all that effort? Just get to know a few well placed folks and you're be in before you know it. That is how it really works around here.
A Mexican friend of mine is a director of a SEP school and I have a relative that can get me an interview and meeting with La Maestra whenever I want it... |
So it's not WHAT you know but WHO you know here in Mexico?? |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, Prof, that's a great avatar!
Happy holidays to you too! |
Thanks Prof. Gringo! You too!!  |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Why all that effort? Just get to know a few well placed folks and you're be in before you know it. That is how it really works around here.
A Mexican friend of mine is a director of a SEP school and I have a relative that can get me an interview and meeting with La Maestra whenever I want it... |
So it's not WHAT you know but WHO you know here in Mexico?? |
That and timing.
Walk into a school with a pulse and a resume when an English teacher has just quit or gotten fired, and guess what? Bingo! You have a new job!
BTW, hope you have good skills in office politics! |
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Professor
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Walk into a school with a pulse and a resume when an English teacher has just quit or gotten fired, and guess what? Bingo! You have a new job!
BTW, hope you have good skills in office politics! |
Office Politics. This is what has been left out of the discussions regarding professional development. Get educated, join organizations, work hard, but also.....be careful who you trust in those offices because they may have their own agenda.
Real world information for the newbies. Happens in every country, not just Mexico. Be prepared. |
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mejms
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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I also know teachers that work the elite cream of the crop schools without a degree in education or even being native speakers.
Anything is possible in Mexican education. |
Sad but true. As a parent and paying customer, I'm truly bummed. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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I also know teachers that work the elite cream of the crop schools without a degree in education or even being native speakers.
Anything is possible in Mexican education. |
Sad but true. As a parent and paying customer, I'm truly bummed. |
No, what's truly sad were the kids that would come up to me at lunch time or even in the hallway and slip a roll of $10,000 pesos into my suit pocket and ask me to remember them when I did grades. I always handed the money back and gave them the grades they had earned. Perhaps I was one of the few teachers that did so, but I feel that as a professional teacher (wow, even without the much over-rated master's or teacher cert. I was still a much better teacher than many so-called qualified teachers) it is my duty to teach not just a subject, but also moral values and to set an example to the students (and often the parents and the admin staff as well). I suffered much for giving Ss the grades they had actually earned instead of inflating their grades (and their egos).
The person I replaced was a "professional teacher" with a degree in education, certification etc. But when it came down to it, she simply couldn't handle the kids. She had daily breakdowns and would just start sobbing in the middle of class. The kids reaction when she cried? They cheered as though they had just won a championship game or something... |
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gregd75
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Yeah, I have heard these horror stories about teachers not being able to handle their students before.
It just goes to show that 'THOSE WHO CAN - TEACH'
Our career is not cut out for every Tom, Dick or Harry.
Shame on the recruiter for not being able to select the right candidate. |
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Enchilada Potosina
Joined: 03 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| Our career is not cut out for every Tom, Dick or Harry. |
I quite agree with you Greg, just a shame that in Mexico any Tom, Dick or Harry can get hired.
Bottom line: if you walk through the (revolving) door of virtually any 'educational' establishment in Mexico at the right time, the requirements (if there were any) go out the window and you're hired. |
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Samantha
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| I see the 'getting it up' thread still has momentum. Okay, then... Let the Posada season begin! |
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gregd75
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[/quote]I quite agree with you Greg, just a shame that in Mexico any Tom, Dick or Harry can get hired.
Bottom line: if you walk through the (revolving) door of virtually any 'educational' establishment in Mexico at the right time, the requirements (if there were any) go out the window and you're hired.[quote]
Well lets not be selfish and make this seem an exclusively Mexican phomenen. I think it can be true for many careers and any part of the world.
I think George Bush Jr was in the right place at the right time, the revolving white house door opened and look how many Americans voted for that bright spark to become president!!!
Happy posadas! |
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TeresaLopez
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
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So it's not WHAT you know but WHO you know here in Mexico?? [/quote
I think it it that way everywhere to a certain extent. Having said that, *I* have never gotten a job I was not qualified for, nor would I want one, because of someone I know. I have gotten the jobs I have, and have had, the old fashioned way - by doing a good job. And while it might be true that you can get jobs by knowing someone, they aren�t always the most stable of jobs, if that person goes, so do you, a lot of the time. |
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Dragonlady
Joined: 10 May 2004
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Location: Chillinfernow, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I see the 'getting it up' thread still has momentum. |
Geez Samantha... for a minute I thought I'd logged into the Viagra thread by mistake!
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| Okay, then... Let the Posada season begin! |
Absolutely! Tonight's the student Christmas production, tomorrow the staff party ... MY EDIT... I don't have to think about school until Monday January 10th... the first wave of family arrives Monday... really looking forward to seeing my sons and my grandson...
...wishing Phil_K hadn't tagged my original post because it wasn't very Christmassy of me 
I got to thinking after the concert of all of those in this world who have so little... and how this weekend I could spread some of my good fortune around...
Anyway...
To everyone in cyber land, have a very Merry Christmas - be safe, be healthy... love and peace to all! 
Best regards,
Dragonlady
And we'll see you all next year as we return to our respective fighting corners 
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