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Schools in Hanoi and "perks" they offer, or don't.

 
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lulugirl27



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: Schools in Hanoi and "perks" they offer, or don't. Reply with quote

Feedback or advice on these schools in Hanoi, please!! I've just seen their names listed; know very little else about their reputations.
Washington English, Golden Key, ACET, Apollo.
Many people seem to say that the best bet in securing a job in Viet is to go there and set up interviews. Is this the case?
What kind of visa does one need (I'm from the US)? Where would I get this?
Do schools there as a rule pay for Visa costs, health insurance, housing? Seems common in a lot of other countries.
Thanks much
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1st Sgt Welsh



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Lulu Girl,

The names Washington English and Golden Key ring bells, but sorry I don't know anything about them. Apollo is one of the biggest schools in Vietnam and I imagine working there would be very similar to working at ILA or Language Link (but I could be mistaken). I've got friends who work for Language Link and it doesn't sound too bad (and its a start), but I think its fair to say there are better gigs out there. Lot of kids classes (which some people don't mind) and your weekends are spent working.

I actually had an interview with Language Link in Hanoi but decided against taking the job. Pay was, if memory serves, about $17-19 per hour plus you got a bit more for weekends. There were also paid holidays (I think around two weeks) and if you signed a one year contract you got a bonus on completion which (again I think) was about $750. I am sorry for being so vague, but I can't remember all the details. Anyway I imagine that sort of package would be what you are looking at for Apollo. A few things may be different, but that would be the ballpark.

Know a fair bit about ACET and if you want any more information feel free to PM me.

No two ways about it, the best way to get a job in Vietnam is to be in Vietnam. Knock on doors or send e-mails requesting interviews until you find something. Don't bother looking for work just before or during Tet (Chinese New Year) as the whole country is winding down. Payment of the visa will depend on the school (if you sign a long contract some will pay for the whole process). Others will not and, some like mine, will pay for part of it. All of them should help with instructions on how to complete the process and documents. I've never heard of a school paying for private health insurance, but it may happen (RMIT and British Council offer pretty generous packages so I wouldn't be that surprised to hear that they did). The norm is that teachers find their own dwellings so be prepared to pay for rent and health insurance out of your salary.

Hope this helps and good luck.
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TimkinMS



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: Schools in Hanoi and "perks" they offer, or do Reply with quote

lulugirl27 wrote:

Do schools there as a rule pay for Visa costs, health insurance, housing? Seems common in a lot of other countries.
Thanks much


Perks, insurance, housing?

No. Nada. Zip. This is a cash only business.

Full-timers at ACET do have their work permits paid for, however.
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TimkinMS



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perks, insurance, housing?

No. Nada. Zip. This is a cash only business.

ACET does pay for work permit fees if someone is full-time, however.
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1st Sgt Welsh



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TimkinMS wrote:


ACET does pay for work permit fees if someone is full-time, however.


I suppose that's true, but for your first work permit there are expenses incurred that are necessary for the process that are not covered by the school. The costs of going to the hospital for your health check and getting your CELTA notorised at an embassy are, for example, borne by the employee. This is probably very standard and maybe there isn't a single school in Vietnam that pays for these things. But the health check, which includes x-rays, is not exactly cheap and the notorisation, for what you actually get, is, in my view, a complete rip-off Surprised
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lsta



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone remember what the cost of the health check was in Hanoi?
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snollygoster



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:06 am    Post subject: Hanoi Schools Reply with quote

Washington- Small, out in the boondocks-looks good.
Apollo-Steady, reliable-not the best gig in town, but a good stable start with western management and a good reputation.
Golden Key-Ha ha ha ha-Tried to run a TESOL/TEFL course and got 4 contenders, but they couldnt get a trainer. Got someone to "fudge" it and then after promising the contenders job placement, told them there are no jobs in Hanoi- enough said?
ACET- as per another poster
Language Link- Salaries are a bit better than stated-I do a part-time gig there at base of $24hr with +s for week-ends, IELTS and Business.
Plenty of Mom and Pop schools in Hanoi that pay better, cash in hand, no paper-work, but when the Police call, the school disappears in a puff of smoke. Risky but you can make good money- Security and perks-NIL.
Google "new Hanoian" and take a look at jobs- usually about 100+ ESL jobs there all the time.
Best method in Vietnam? If you are off-shore, by all means e-mail with an expected date of commencement, BUT dont expect them to get excited as there are too many "wannabees" who never come. When you DO get here, call them and remind them of your e-mail and set up an appointment. You will need probably no more than 3 to interview as there is still a shortage of teachers.
Dont expect to get hired from your initial e-mail- it just wont happen.
Visa- Come on a tourist visa- do NOT be tempted to try to get any other type as it WILL be a huge headache- You can change it on expiry once you are here, and employers will USUALLY take care of this for you.
Try vietnam-visa.com for a hassle free on line visa experience at a price that has not been inflated to accommodate some policemans need to buy his mother in law a new motorbike for Christmas.
Are you credentialed for Vietnam? Degree, CELTA/TESOL etc all squared away?
PM me if you need extra help.
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1st Sgt Welsh



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lsta wrote:
Anyone remember what the cost of the health check was in Hanoi?


Hi Ista,

I am sorry but I can't remember exactly how much it cost and I don't want to give you the wrong information (by the way kudos to Snollygoster for setting me right about Language Link). Besides, the figure I paid last year has probably gone up anyway.

However I do have a suggestion as to where to go. I went to the French Hospital and it was by far and away the most efficient hospital experience I ever had anywhere. You have do quite a few tests for the health check and after I did one test, I was immediately escorted to another department for the next one Cool Was in and out within something like an hour. I have heard some mixed things about a mistake they apparently made to "a friend of a friend of a friend", but this is just hearsay and I won't get into it. My own experience (based solely on the health check) was very positive. I've included a link below and if you are interested you can call them or send them an e-mail regarding prices.

http://www.hfh.com.vn/
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TimkinMS



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1st Sgt Welsh wrote:
TimkinMS wrote:


ACET does pay for work permit fees if someone is full-time, however.


I suppose that's true, but for your first work permit there are expenses incurred that are necessary for the process that are not covered by the school. The costs of going to the hospital for your health check and getting your CELTA notorised at an embassy are, for example, borne by the employee. This is probably very standard and maybe there isn't a single school in Vietnam that pays for these things. But the health check, which includes x-rays, is not exactly cheap and the notorisation, for what you actually get, is, in my view, a complete rip-off Surprised


I agree with you 1 sgt. Welsh. The notarization cost me a lot and the health check for foreigner is a complete rip-off. I noticed that the foreigner work permit medical check is.....listed....in US dollars. Gouging.

I actually started the process for the WP, but when Vietnamese lawyers, foreign lawyers, Am-Cham and even school owers do not agree on who really owns the work permit (holds on to it) I smelled a rat and stopped the process.
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I'm With Stupid



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Schools in Hanoi and "perks" they offer, or do Reply with quote

TimkinMS wrote:
lulugirl27 wrote:

Do schools there as a rule pay for Visa costs, health insurance, housing? Seems common in a lot of other countries.
Thanks much


Perks, insurance, housing?

No. Nada. Zip. This is a cash only business.


Health insurance isn't exactly unheard of.
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deadlift



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RMIT provides insurance, pays for new visas and health checks, and does as much of the WP process as they are able to.
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