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Dragnic_Daelin



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:07 pm    Post subject: Travelling the world really possible Reply with quote

Hey,

This might seem like a stupid question but what's stopping people who do the TEFL gig, to go:

To a country
Teach there for 2 years (+/-) whilst exploring the country you�re in all you can
Then leave for another country
Rinse and repeat?

I mean you'll never end up with major bucks, but what is that compared to having 1st hand world experience in so many different cultures and countries? And to be frank I am personally going over to China and Russia for pure love of the culture ect.

Granted my options won�t be spectacular with not having a degree, but experience should account for something, especially if it�s 100% TEFL experience??

Any comments or am I just being disillusion?
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smithrn1983



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've known a few teachers who were doing exactly what you described. As for what's stopping other teachers from doing the same, it's a number of things.

It is possible to find decent jobs with decent pay in many countries, and if you enjoy living there, why not stay?

A number of teachers get married and have children while overseas.

Experience in some countries does not count in others, and moving to another country can put you back on the bottom rung of the ladder.

In your particular situation, getting a degree is the best thing you can do. Not having it will exclude you from getting a visa in many countries. In others, schools will want to see it on your resume. There are exceptions, of course, but in my experience, significant business experience is what employers want to see if you don't have a degree.
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smithrn1983



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also get a reputable tefl certificate.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Travelling the world really possible Reply with quote

Dragnic_Daelin wrote:
Hey,

This might seem like a stupid question but what's stopping people who do the TEFL gig, to go:

To a country
Teach there for 2 years (+/-) whilst exploring the country you�re in all you can
Then leave for another country
Rinse and repeat?

I mean you'll never end up with major bucks, but what is that compared to having 1st hand world experience in so many different cultures and countries? And to be frank I am personally going over to China and Russia for pure love of the culture ect.

Granted my options won�t be spectacular with not having a degree, but experience should account for something, especially if it�s 100% TEFL experience??

Any comments or am I just being disillusion?


Because teachers who think this way are men and by "culture etc." they mean women. And before long, they realize that for women, you need funding. And in that respect, the nomadic lifestyle doesn't deliver.
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That idea is more akin to my plan than the idea of going to one country, staying there, working up the ladder and marrying a local. There is no reason why you cant do it, as long as you accept the limitations you have already acknowledged.
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And to be frank I am personally going over to China and Russia for pure love of the culture ect.


You aren't going over for women, are you? Laughing Just kidding, kind of...

Anyway, have you been to Russia or China before? You might find that, once immersed in their cultures, you don't have as much love for them as you thought you did. I started off keen to experience Turkish culture, having been there on holiday as a teen, but while working there I soon got irritated with all the problems of society, the ones that aren't so apparent when you are just visiting a tourist area for 2 weeks.

Is Chinese culture 'loveable'? The food isn't bad, the women are pretty and slim too, but China can be quite tough on a foreigner. It might have some glitzy buildings in the big cities, but in many ways it's still developing, especially in terms of people's attitudes. Add a hefty language barrier on top of that and you have a culture that many westerners can't infiltrate. Like you, I was also keen to learn Chinese culture, and Mandarin, so I went over there, studied hard and practised hard, got pretty good within a short time, then realised I was immersed in a culture that had no place for me. China was definitely the worst place I taught ESL in, much worse than Korea in my opinion.

So to answer your question: There's nothing stopping ESLers from doing 2 year stints in a bunch of different countries, but, inevitably, you will go to places you feel you can't hack for 2 months, let alone 2 years, and you will also end up in countries which make you feel so comfortable that you never want to leave. Every ESLer will have different preferences; I met some people who found China to be paradise (not many!), while others really loved Korea (again not many!), others still Thailand, Turkey, and so on.

And if you are really wanting to go to Russia and China to meet hot women, a word of warning about your ESL salary (which was echoed by 'Zero'): No money, no honey! Laughing

I wish you luck though, I mean that sincerely, and merry Christmas!
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denise



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's sort of what I've done over the past 12ish years. (Damn, I feel old all of a sudden!) 2 years in Europe, 2 years in Japan, a year and a half in South America, 4 years in Oman... Plus 2 years back in the US to get an MA, or some of those jobs wouldn't have been possible.

As others have mentioned, not having a degree will be a big hurdle for you to overcome, as entire countries will be off-limits, and in countries that don't require them you will be competing against job-seekers who have degrees and experience.

And if you're American, much if Europe is off-limits, too.

You can do it indefinitely, in certain countries, as long as you're OK with doing the same ol' entry level jobs. Eventually, though, employers might wonder why you move around so much.

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Dragnic_Daelin



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I acknowledge that no degree = Limited options in terms where I'd be able to go, but does real world teaching experience not count for much (in conjunction with a CELTA)?

Granted different countries, different approaches and struggles, but that doesn't subtract from the fact that you (hopefully) broke those barriers in the previous country- thus making the next transition ever so slightly easier.

But then again I'm not doing this for money - would've ventured to Korea then. Nor for the women lol, it's for an experience. To invest in yourself and in the students innit? And yes there's nothing stopping you from settling if one loves a place enough (or women as pointed out) . There are language barriers in my own country (South Africa has 11 official) and after living in a village in Nepal for a few weeks where they only know phrases at most. Nor am I going for the city lights as I'd prefer a more country teaching environments

I'm a buyer in my own country now for 3 odd years having currently just reached national level (again no degree). Won't that count for something?

Once again let me know whether I'm painting castles in the sky Smile Criticism is one of the best learning curves after all[/quote]
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tttompatz



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragnic_Daelin wrote:
I acknowledge that no degree = Limited options in terms where I'd be able to go, but does real world teaching experience not count for much (in conjunction with a CELTA)?

Granted different countries, different approaches and struggles, but that doesn't subtract from the fact that you (hopefully) broke those barriers in the previous country- thus making the next transition ever so slightly easier.

But then again I'm not doing this for money - would've ventured to Korea then. Nor for the women lol, it's for an experience. To invest in yourself and in the students innit? And yes there's nothing stopping you from settling if one loves a place enough (or women as pointed out) . There are language barriers in my own country (South Africa has 11 official) and after living in a village in Nepal for a few weeks where they only know phrases at most. Nor am I going for the city lights as I'd prefer a more country teaching environments

I'm a buyer in my own country now for 3 odd years having currently just reached national level (again no degree). Won't that count for something?

Once again let me know whether I'm painting castles in the sky Smile Criticism is one of the best learning curves after all
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The problem is not so much in the requirements of the employer, although that does come into play, but the immigration requirements of the different countries you may wish to teach in.

More and more the degree is an immigration requirement to qualify for the work visa/work permits although there are still countries where you can get work with just a CELTA. In almost all cases your non-related life experience will count for naught (in terms of getting a visa) although some employers may look favorably on it.

3 more years in school and the world really does open up for you.

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naturegirl321



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Location: home sweet home

PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the same plan when I started years ago. Nothing ever goes according to plan. I met a guy 6 months into my second country and stayed for 6 years. NOw back in Asia, I'm hoping to stay here for a while and have kids. YOu want stability and to move up the TEFL ladder. Constantly changing countries often means that you start at the bottom of the ladder again.
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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YOu want stability and to move up the TEFL ladder.


You mean...both rungs of it??? Shocked

Laughing
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulgogiboy wrote:
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YOu want stability and to move up the TEFL ladder.


You mean...both rungs of it??? Shocked

Laughing

yep, that's right.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulgogiboy wrote:
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And to be frank I am personally going over to China and Russia for pure love of the culture ect.


You aren't going over for women, are you? Laughing Just kidding, kind of...

Anyway, have you been to Russia or China before? You might find that, once immersed in their cultures, you don't have as much love for them as you thought you did. I started off keen to experience Turkish culture, having been there on holiday as a teen, but while working there I soon got irritated with all the problems of society, the ones that aren't so apparent when you are just visiting a tourist area for 2 weeks.

Is Chinese culture 'loveable'? The food isn't bad, the women are pretty and slim too, but China can be quite tough on a foreigner. It might have some glitzy buildings in the big cities, but in many ways it's still developing, especially in terms of people's attitudes. Add a hefty language barrier on top of that and you have a culture that many westerners can't infiltrate. Like you, I was also keen to learn Chinese culture, and Mandarin, so I went over there, studied hard and practised hard, got pretty good within a short time, then realised I was immersed in a culture that had no place for me. China was definitely the worst place I taught ESL in, much worse than Korea in my opinion.

So to answer your question: There's nothing stopping ESLers from doing 2 year stints in a bunch of different countries, but, inevitably, you will go to places you feel you can't hack for 2 months, let alone 2 years, and you will also end up in countries which make you feel so comfortable that you never want to leave. Every ESLer will have different preferences; I met some people who found China to be paradise (not many!), while others really loved Korea (again not many!), others still Thailand, Turkey, and so on.

And if you are really wanting to go to Russia and China to meet hot women, a word of warning about your ESL salary (which was echoed by 'Zero'): No money, no honey! Laughing

I wish you luck though, I mean that sincerely, and merry Christmas!


What mainly made you dislike China and feel you couldn't fit?
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smithrn1983



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragnic_Daelin wrote:

I'm a buyer in my own country now for 3 odd years having currently just reached national level (again no degree). Won't that count for something?



In Russia that'll count for something. There's a big market for business English there.
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
bulgogiboy wrote:
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And to be frank I am personally going over to China and Russia for pure love of the culture ect.


You aren't going over for women, are you? Laughing Just kidding, kind of...

Anyway, have you been to Russia or China before? You might find that, once immersed in their cultures, you don't have as much love for them as you thought you did. I started off keen to experience Turkish culture, having been there on holiday as a teen, but while working there I soon got irritated with all the problems of society, the ones that aren't so apparent when you are just visiting a tourist area for 2 weeks.

Is Chinese culture 'loveable'? The food isn't bad, the women are pretty and slim too, but China can be quite tough on a foreigner. It might have some glitzy buildings in the big cities, but in many ways it's still developing, especially in terms of people's attitudes. Add a hefty language barrier on top of that and you have a culture that many westerners can't infiltrate. Like you, I was also keen to learn Chinese culture, and Mandarin, so I went over there, studied hard and practised hard, got pretty good within a short time, then realised I was immersed in a culture that had no place for me. China was definitely the worst place I taught ESL in, much worse than Korea in my opinion.

So to answer your question: There's nothing stopping ESLers from doing 2 year stints in a bunch of different countries, but, inevitably, you will go to places you feel you can't hack for 2 months, let alone 2 years, and you will also end up in countries which make you feel so comfortable that you never want to leave. Every ESLer will have different preferences; I met some people who found China to be paradise (not many!), while others really loved Korea (again not many!), others still Thailand, Turkey, and so on.

And if you are really wanting to go to Russia and China to meet hot women, a word of warning about your ESL salary (which was echoed by 'Zero'): No money, no honey! Laughing

I wish you luck though, I mean that sincerely, and merry Christmas!


What mainly made you dislike China and feel you couldn't fit?


Hi Zero,

As I touched on before, it was probably the uncomfortable situations which arose in public, especially when encountering large groups of Chinese youths. They could be quite intimidating, and I'm not a particularly small/weak man. Around the time I was there, a young western girl was very badly beaten up in one of Zhuhai's parks by a crowd of Chinese lads, for no reason other than her being a foreigner. I've never heard of this happening in any of the other countries I've taught ESL in. I'd never had people shouting insults at me on the street before, for no reason. On at least a couple of occasions this included security guards in official uniform. A co-worker of mine said that at one corporate teaching job he had been at, whilst he was leaving the building on the final day, the security guard had set an attack dog on him, for fun. Confused

On the other hand, my Chinese students (adults) and co-workers were really nice. I met some lovely people, who showed me real kindness and consideration. You can say this in every country though...

One man's hell is another man's heaven however, and I had at least 1 western co-worker who wanted to spend the rest of his life in China, after having been there for quite some time already. Good for him, I'm glad he's found his Shangri-La. It's just not mine!

And, to be honest, I don't think it's possible for 'ol whitey to 'fit in', in a complete sense, in China, Korea, Thailand, Japan, basically most countries in Asia. If you are white, even if you learn the language to an advanced level, you will still be viewed as being 'different'. You can't get around it. Asians are just as racist as 'ol whitey, in my opinion. Perhaps more so. You might make a comfortable life for yourself, raise a family, friends, a good job, but you will still be seen as a foreigner.

That's not a dig at Asian society, by the way. The same thing happens to immigrant families in the West.

You may be having a totally different experience, if you are living in China just now. If so, that's great, just tell me where you are, and if the salary is good! Laughing
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