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genesis315
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Not to hijack the thread, but how many points would the following equate to, roughly?:
1. 8 months as a volunteer swimming insturctor for special needs children.
2. 1 week program as volunteer at children's camp.
3. Numerous volunteer hours coaching children on how to ice skate.
4. 1 year experience as a fitness instructor.
Would any of this be looked upon favorably in an application? |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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This is a disgusting thread...is there no mystery why English "teachers" are paid so lowly and held in such low regard? I mean, really, how low and crass can you go by entertaining such a thread...it's like a bunch of state fair people getting together and discussing how to get money out of the fools who'll spend $5 dollars for three tries at tryng to put a basketball through a hoop that's too small for the ball!
Sheesh!!!
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Glenski
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| genesis315 wrote: |
Not to hijack the thread, but how many points would the following equate to, roughly?:
1. 8 months as a volunteer swimming insturctor for special needs children.
2. 1 week program as volunteer at children's camp.
3. Numerous volunteer hours coaching children on how to ice skate.
4. 1 year experience as a fitness instructor.
Would any of this be looked upon favorably in an application? |
I would say that none of the above should be left off a resume, but that they are not even close to things that a language instructor needs. Daycare, ok. Ancillary duties in a HS/JHS, maybe. And, of course, it all depends on how one brings up these items in a cover letter, but a half-decent reviewer will just see them as social experience skills, IMO. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| G Cthulhu wrote: |
| gwynnie86 wrote: |
| Finally, for companies like JET I have often heard that having teaching experience can count AGAINST you!! Crazy but they look for fresh-faced, shiny foreigners, not experienced teaching. |
JET is not a company, and you heard wrong.
I can categorically assure you that teaching experience scores you positive points on the application. The type of experience determines the number of points gained. |
I've seen you write this many times before, and I would only add that you should state your extensive experience with JET so that readers believe you more! I believe you were a JET ALT and now serve on the interviewing board, or something along those lines, right? |
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genesis315
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:28 am Post subject: |
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G Cthulhu
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
| I've seen you write this many times before, and I would only add that you should state your extensive experience with JET so that readers believe you more! I believe you were a JET ALT and now serve on the interviewing board, or something along those lines, right? |
3 years on JET as an ALT, 2 years at CLAIR as a PC, 2 years screening apps in NZ and UK, 3 years interviewing in the US. Currently work for Evil Multinational in global HR. |
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Cool Teacher
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Oooo...er! 
I don't think you should lie adn if you did get caught think how emarrassing it would be...
Usually people in an interview would ask what your experience is and maybe what textbooks. If you just say, "Well I just chatted to people in Englsih" they probably would think it counts as ZERO experience. 
Why are you aksing people to tell you how to lie.
If you have expericence say it. If you did teach one-on-one lessons then I guess you could say you employed yourself or something and picked up some experience but be prepared to be asked about your experience if you start telling lies you must lie more to cover up and each time you lie you could start saying things that sound weird and then when asked more and more sound weirder and weirder. I think just don't do it. Be honest and you will appear less slippery in the interview, more trustwoethy and have more chance of getting that job!  |
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Cool Teacher
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Merry Christmas!  |
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sideways_gun
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Sideways gun, why do you think you might need to lie?
You said that your friends have found work by lying about private lessons that they've taught, but then you also said that you have actually taught these private lessons. Why not ask for a written reference from one of your students?
In the meantime there's also plenty of stuff you can do to make your CV look better. Why not volunteer somewhere with kids a couple of hours a week? A weekend TEFL course will set you back about 120 quid. Employers might not care but I'd recommend doing that to give yourself a little extra confidence in any interviews.
Good luck! I came over from London last year but went through a dispatch company. |
Indeed, I am going to do a weekend course, as a friend had done (seems like I am really following the example of others, isn't it haha). It would be good to have some official critiquing of my teaching skills, and to get more with regard to teaching GROUPS of people. In the new year, that's the first thing I'll put money down for  |
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sideways_gun
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| TokyoLiz wrote: |
gwynnie86 wrote:
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| Finally, for companies like JET I have often heard that having teaching experience can count AGAINST you!! .. |
This information hasn't been current for a long time. In '99, my former director of studies at a Canadian ESL school and I were accepted on the JET Program. Both of us had TESOL diplomas and years of teaching experience.
Basically, what Natsume said has been confirmed by other JET participants. The JET process does select career teachers.
And about lying - why would you even consider lying when the remedy for your CV will keep you honest and provide good preparation for walking into an eikaiwa job?
For example, what OneJoelFifty said:
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| In the meantime there's also plenty of stuff you can do to make your CV look better. Why not volunteer somewhere with kids a couple of hours a week? A weekend TEFL course will set you back about 120 quid. Employers might not care but I'd recommend doing that to give yourself a little extra confidence in any interviews. |
I totally agree with OJF.
Help yourself out here! Prepare with some Oxford Seminars, get yourself a good grammar book, volunteer with Boy Scouts or tutor international students at your local uni, and take a night school course in Japanese language if you haven't already.
I wish you lots of luck on your way to Japan |
Thank you for your positivity, TokyoLiz! I felt very naughty for even posting this kind of question up as it implied that I was a scammer and a schemer of sorts. I truly want to give a client the best education they could possibly get out of me, so I don't want to fake my way into employment. THEY would be the ones to suffer!! Although I am going there on working holiday visa so nobody has a hold on my Visa anyway, I believe, in the case things go awry with contracts and such.
I'll do my best to remain positive! Although right now I am quaking in my snow shoes and trying to sell everything I own!!  |
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sideways_gun
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Cool Teacher wrote: |
Oooo...er!
I don't think you should lie adn if you did get caught think how emarrassing it would be...
Usually people in an interview would ask what your experience is and maybe what textbooks. If you just say, "Well I just chatted to people in Englsih" they probably would think it counts as ZERO experience.
Why are you aksing people to tell you how to lie.
If you have expericence say it. If you did teach one-on-one lessons then I guess you could say you employed yourself or something and picked up some experience but be prepared to be asked about your experience if you start telling lies you must lie more to cover up and each time you lie you could start saying things that sound weird and then when asked more and more sound weirder and weirder. I think just don't do it. Be honest and you will appear less slippery in the interview, more trustwoethy and have more chance of getting that job! |
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year (in response to your second post )
Okay, so the general consensus is, DON'T LIE!!! I have no reason to lie, I suppose. I shall remain fresh-faced and truthful. What I had wanted to know is if lying was standard practice, or something like that. Especially with all the people of nationalities not eligible for the Working Holiday programme, who hit the Japanese ground running to find a job before their landing permit expires or their money runs out.
Judging from the wonderfully informative responses I have received (thank you, all!) I can see that it is certainly NOT the norm. I won't do it. And I hope I won't be worse off in the end  |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:02 am Post subject: |
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Truth-telling always trumps lying. When you lie, ya gotta remember all those lies...when you tell the truth, ya gotta remember to look the other person in the eye...
Good Luck...
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