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fat_chris



Joined: 10 Sep 2003
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Location: Beijing

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:30 am    Post subject: Re: �How Do You Do It? Reply with quote

nomadder wrote:
Things like excessive heat(usually in many places), dirtiness, unclean food, noise, crowded sidewalks with holes etc, being singled out by beggars, always buying water, lack of products, weird toilets(often), only 2 seasons(often), corrupt police, bad healthcare, sadness of seeing so much poverty, uncomfortable cement houses, tropical diseases, terrible transportation, low salaries and more crime worries generally,etc...


You have to leave your country of birth to get all of the above?!? I am a US citizen and can easily get all of that without ever applying for a passport: I'm moving to NYC from Ohio in a few weeks and believe you me, I'm looking forward to it.

Bring on the tropical diseases and sidewalks with holes (whatever that means--which city doesn't have this?)! It all makes life more exciting...or at least distracts you for a moment.
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Joachim



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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Location: Brighton, UK

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Things like excessive heat(usually in many places), dirtiness, unclean food, noise, crowded sidewalks with holes etc, being singled out by beggars, always buying water, lack of products, weird toilets(often), only 2 seasons(often), corrupt police, bad healthcare, sadness of seeing so much poverty, uncomfortable cement houses, tropical diseases, terrible transportation, low salaries and more crime worries generally,etc...


I think that you really need friends who come from your country (or a similar one) and can appreciate how frustrating a lot of the above with and have a good bitch session. Then get up, cheer up and take advantage of something cool you can do in your host country which you couldn't do back home - that tends to put everything into perspective.

Also, never forget that no matter where or how you live, in whatever country in the world, you will ALWAYS have bad days - it's part of being a human. If you canrecognise them and say to yourself "it'll be better tomorrow", then you'll be doing yourself a massive favour.
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shmooj



Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Location: Seoul, ROK

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, to make this a more constructive thread, how is it that so many of us have found so called "developing" countries so satisfying to live in despite lower infrastructure standards?

To start the ball rolling, I'd say for myself that I greatly appreciate the value that people in India place on people themselves as opposed to schedules, things etc. I found the pace of life a real challenge to me initially but then, when I had adjusted to it, I wondered why I hadn't lived at this pace all my life.

ANyone else?
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Roger



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must say that committing oneself to a life abroad requires some maturity that a lot of twenty-somethings lack.
If you go to escape the working treadmill in your country you are fooling yourself: jobs in developing countries can be even more repetitive than they are in the West.
Climate? Yes, that can be a major issue.
Poor infrastructure? That too can be a serious drain on your wellbeing.
Health? You have to invest in it anywhere in the world...

But I can say that if you accept limitations and learn to operate within these limitations you can optimise your situation, and even maximise the feel-good factor.
Living in the same place for years, you will notice the swift changes typical of countries undergoing industrial revolution - such as China. Sidewalks are full of holes, yet you can ride on an aircon bus with on-board video monitors (for those who consider this entertainment...) and electronic ticketing systems - imagine the contrast of such a modern vehicle on roads where pedestrians have to walk in the traffic lanes!
I also notice living standard improvements that bring the local population very quickly up to western levels. That's fascinating to watch - five years ago, people hardly travelled during the year except on spring festival holidays, now they enjoy every weekend off and also various national holiday seasons, and it shows in their behaviour and spending habits!

Climate? I am glad I am growing used to the subtropics, which will help me avoid rheumatism and God knows what else!
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kev7161



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school is located about 30 minutes by bus from Hangzhou. Hangzhou is loud, crowded, and sometimes smelly - - but many (most?) parts of it are modern and improving all the time. By contrast, up the road a bit is a small town that I have dubbed "dirty town" (and many of my students and Chinese colleagues call it that as well, thanks to me). It is crowded, smelly, dirty (of course), and far from what you would call modern. But you can get groceries there and produce and DVDs. Also, a friend of mine works there and cuts my hair for me. So, I do go there when I need to, but what a difference these two environments are. I really don't have a point to this posting, just wanted to share. Smile
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nomadder



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank god the posts finally started to make some sense and actually portray the realities. The other day I definitely experienced excessive heat and that was at 4pm.
But really despite the boredom, lacklustre culture, cooler weather(usually) ,etc., we do give up many comforts if we spend time in certain other countries. I don�t know if I could do it for the long term but who knows. Still haven�t decided if I�ll stop in one of these countries for any length of time. Don�t think the answers gave me enough info either.

Sorry Capergirl I still have no plans of returning to Canada but we could have an online coffee. Very Happy
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomadder wrote:

Sorry Capergirl I still have no plans of returning to Canada but we could have an online coffee. Very Happy


Is that instant or a new Starbucks blend?
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fat_chris



Joined: 10 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger wrote:
I must say that committing oneself to a life abroad requires some maturity that a lot of twenty-somethings lack.


And then there are the many thirty-, forty- and fifty-somethings out there who also lack aforementioned maturity!

Damn, there's some characters out there on the open expat road. Where do such people come from? *SIGH* I'm sure more than a few have proclaimed that about fat_c as well.

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